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Precision Landings and practice
As a segue from off airport landings....how about precision? Can you
consistently touch down at minimum speed with your regular aircraft within a 50' mark? Can you do it with a short/soft/XW/ Obstacle? Can you do it with any configuration of flaps and or power? OK....got an electrical failure that prevents any flaps from coming down and you are faced with a no flap landing. Should be a piece of cake but when is the last time you did it with precision? Suppose you have an engine failure and are headed down into a wooded area with only a small meadow for any decent landing? The surface is unknown, trees all the way around, and you're not sure of the exact wind until you are committed on final. There you have the elements of short/soft/XW/Obstacle all wrapped up in one and easy to visualize. Many different scenarios that can be described that are day to day events at the airport but so few ever challenge their abilities. I can't remember the last time I saw a spot landing contest or even heard of one being proposed. Great way to focus on precision landings and make them fun. All of my students have been challenged to beat me at spot landings but so far none have managed...close but no cigar. That only serves to motivate them to do better and in turn makes them better pilots. How about your landings? Fly safe and Merry Christmas to you all Rocky aka Ol Shy & Bashful Selway Kid |
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wrote in message ps.com... As a segue from off airport landings....how about precision? Can you consistently touch down at minimum speed with your regular aircraft within a 50' mark? Can you do it with a short/soft/XW/ Obstacle? Can you do it with any configuration of flaps and or power? And in addition to this type of landing without power, how about when you have power, but have to make a rapid reaction to change you spot at the last moment. What comes to mind, is at OSH on 9/27, when at the last moment the controller (or other circumstances) calls for a change to touch down one dot early or one dot later that what he said at first, and now you are feet from the ground, trying to make it work. As a spectator at OSH, it seems like some people are totally unprepared for precision spot landings, and some practice would be in order. Good idea for a thread. -- Jim in NC |
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"William W. Plummer" wrote in
message news:57Mud.555936$D%.476618@attbi_s51... This thread might expand to include "Glassy Water" landings in seaplanes because it is a very precise approach and landing without looking down. Not exactly. It's "precise" in the sense that it's important to maintain just the right airspeed and power setting, achieving the proper vertical descent rate (100fpm or so, max 200fpm), so that you touch down on the water gently and with the correct pitch attitude. But it's nothing like a spot landing. A glassy water landing pretty much guarantees that you will NOT land at a precise point on the water. That's kind of the point...you can't really tell where you'll touch down, so you make sure you're ready to touch down at any moment. There are, of course, additional "precision" elements such as making a normal approach as low over visible terrain as possible, to minimize the time spent in the "instrument" phase of the glassy water landing. But even so, there's absolutely no element to glassy water landings that have anything to do with placing the airplane on the landing surface at a particular spot. Glassy water landings are "precision" the way flight maneuvers like turns about a point, chandelles, etc. are "precision". If that's what you meant, I can wholeheartedly agree with that. Also, commercial glider pilots must be able to drop the plane between two lines 100' appart. (200' for non-commercial). Think about that -- you can land across the runway at a normal airport and without power! You mean "can touch down across the runway", right? Even in a sailplane, one might have trouble actually coming to a stop before reaching the other side of the runway (without a decent headwind, anyway). Pete |
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Morgans wrote: As a spectator at OSH, it seems like some people are totally unprepared for precision spot landings, and some practice would be in order. Good idea for a thread. I'd agree Jim, from what I've seen at my very limited time attending at Oshkosh, I've seen some rather interesting flying. Rick Durden has some great advice in some past Avweb articles. I was fortunate enough to find them before flying in my first time two years ago. The articles really got me thinking about the importance of being able to maintain altitude, airspeed, and pull off good spot landings. It's really not that hard but it is good to fully understand that anyone flying in needs to be on their game. When my brother and I arrived two years ago, I was greeted by the tower controller with "White Cessna, good job, welcome to Oshkosh". Despite being early that Monday morning and having the luxury of fairly loose spacing in the arrival, it was the most intense and rewarding approach and landing I've ever flown. I'd do it again in a heartbeat....but I'd be sure to have recently practiced the basic skills necessary. -- Jack Allison PP-ASEL, IA Student, airplane partnership student "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return" - Leonardo Da Vinci (Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail) |
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William W. Plummer wrote:
Also, commercial glider pilots must be able to drop the plane between two lines 100' appart. Which is not that impressing when you consider that with those huge airbrakes, you can adjust your glidepath to anything between 50:1 to 5:1. This said, in our club we have the rule that "every landing is a spot landing". Stefan |
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When my brother and I arrived two years ago, I was greeted by the tower
controller with "White Cessna, good job, welcome to Oshkosh". Despite being early that Monday morning and having the luxury of fairly loose spacing in the arrival, it was the most intense and rewarding approach and landing I've ever flown. I'd do it again in a heartbeat....but I'd be sure to have recently practiced the basic skills necessary. Just think, Jack: only 7.5 months until we get to do it all over again! God willin' and the crick don't rise, of course... ;-) Man, I can hardly wait! -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Sooooo... is there going to be a "Spot Landing" contest as part of this
year's Alexis Park Inn Aerial Open Pre-Airventure Party? Jay Honeck wrote: Just think, Jack: only 7.5 months until we get to do it all over again! God willin' and the crick don't rise, of course... ;-) Man, I can hardly wait! |
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Jack Allison wrote: Morgans wrote: As a spectator at OSH, it seems like some people are totally unprepared for precision spot landings, and some practice would be in order. Good idea for a thread. I'd agree Jim, from what I've seen at my very limited time attending at Oshkosh, I've seen some rather interesting flying. Rick Durden has some great advice in some past Avweb articles. I was fortunate enough to find them before flying in my first time two years ago. The articles really got me thinking about the importance of being able to maintain altitude, airspeed, and pull off good spot landings. It's really not that hard but it is good to fully understand that anyone flying in needs to be on their game. When my brother and I arrived two years ago, I was greeted by the tower controller with "White Cessna, good job, welcome to Oshkosh". Despite being early that Monday morning and having the luxury of fairly loose spacing in the arrival, it was the most intense and rewarding approach and landing I've ever flown. I'd do it again in a heartbeat....but I'd be sure to have recently practiced the basic skills necessary. OSH is a good example of approach criteria that may apply in a number of situations. In addition to the ability of doing a spot landing, you also need to be ready to handle a change. I was on short final for 9 last year (2003, Monday evening), and was given instructions to land on the numbers. (There was someone on logout.) However, the Bonanza behind me was getting too close for the controller's comfort, and, at about 400 feet, he asked me to hit the white dot. No problem (40 degrees of flaps on a 172 makes challenges like these a bit less daunting). Got a "nice job" from the tower. Great people work there. That was good practice for the turkeys that occasionally "appear" on the end of the runways at LEB. (I don't mean stupid pilots, I mean the real feathered kind.) -- Remove "2PLANES" to reply. |
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