Flight Times

I really don't know anything about flying, and at times am terrified on
a commercial airliner (something about turbulence...)

Anyway, I do enjoy flight sims and would like to work through the
FS2004 training and then move onto X-Plane. I know this isn't
realistic, but I will have a better understanding on how everything
works without the hairpulling.

I do have question about flying to Vegas from Phoenix. How long will
that take with a Cessna single engine? How much does it cost to rent a
plane for that kind of trip (rough estimate)?

Thanks.

On 13 Dec 2004 11:34:31 -0800, wrote:

I really don't know anything about flying, and at times am terrified on
a commercial airliner (something about turbulence...)

Anyway, I do enjoy flight sims and would like to work through the
FS2004 training and then move onto X-Plane. I know this isn't
realistic, but I will have a better understanding on how everything
works without the hairpulling.

I do have question about flying to Vegas from Phoenix. How long will
that take with a Cessna single engine? How much does it cost to rent a
plane for that kind of trip (rough estimate)?

Thanks.


Eyeballing it seems to show about 250 miles. Without any wind (which
almost never happens) figure it'd take a 172 2 hours and 20 minutes,
depending on climb/descent times and traffic congestion at each
airport. I'd estimate renting a 172 with instructor at around $125
per hour so your looking at roughly $300 one way for the ride.

Hopefully all my estimates are slightly higher than reality so it'll
be a little less, but this is a good planning figure.

HTH.
z

On 13 Dec 2004 11:34:31 -0800, wrote:

Hi,

I do have question about flying to Vegas from Phoenix. How long will
that take with a Cessna single engine? How much does it cost to rent a
plane for that kind of trip (rough estimate)?

North Las Vegas to PHX is roughly 230 nm, so an average rental C172
can make this trip in about 2,5 hours. Typical hourly rates for such a
plane are in the 80$-ballpark. Go figure...

Regards
Tobias

wrote:

I do have question about flying to Vegas from Phoenix. How long will
that take with a Cessna single engine?

My flight planner says it's 364.4 nautical miles. Planning for cruise of
10,500', a '68 Cessna 172 will take a little over 3 hours to get there at 2,700
rpm.

How much does it cost to rent a
plane for that kind of trip (rough estimate)?

I don't know prices in that area, but I can rent a 172 in New Jersey for $78/hr.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:58:35 GMT, zatatime wrote in
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On 13 Dec 2004 11:34:31 -0800, wrote:
[...]

I do have question about flying to Vegas from Phoenix. How long will
that take with a Cessna single engine? How much does it cost to rent a
plane for that kind of trip (rough estimate)?


Eyeballing it seems to show about 250 miles. Without any wind (which
almost never happens) figure it'd take a 172 2 hours and 20 minutes,
depending on climb/descent times and traffic congestion at each
airport. I'd estimate renting a [Cessna] 172 with instructor at around $125
per hour so your looking at roughly $300 one way for the ride.

Hopefully all my estimates are slightly higher than reality[,] so it'll
be a little less, but this is a good planning figure.

Of course, if the flight is made midday through the desert during the
summer in unstable air, it could require slowing to Va which would
further delay progress.

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:43:27 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote:

My flight planner says it's 364.4 nautical miles.

Huh? What airports are you using? Airnav says it's exactly 228.9 nm
from PHX to VGT.

Tobias

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:

My flight planner says it's 364.4 nautical miles.

Wrong Las Vegas. The one in Nevada is 222 miles from Poenix. Takes a bit under 2
hours.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

Okay, that really concerns me.

How bad is flying out of Phoenix (or Vegas) in a small plane? The talk
of unstable air makes it sound extremely dangerous.

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:12:04 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote:

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:

My flight planner says it's 364.4 nautical miles.

Wrong Las Vegas. The one in Nevada is 222 miles from Poenix. Takes a bit under 2
hours.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.


Where's the other one?
z

On 13 Dec 2004 14:49:38 -0800, wrote in
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Okay, that really concerns me.

How bad is flying out of Phoenix (or Vegas) in a small plane?

I've never had a problem, but I don't fly when convective turbulence
is predicted. It's more common in the summer. You can get a 7-day
forecast he http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/vef/forecasts.php#zone

The talk of unstable air makes it sound extremely dangerous.

Unstable air is humid air. It's what causes thunderstorms. It's
easily predictable, so there is only potential danger if the pilot
fails to factor weather briefing information into his decisions.
Those sort of pilots usually don't last to long. :-)

It's usually more about comfort and speed. Flights in the morning and
evening are usually much less affected.