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Female pilot accident rates
I haven't seen any stats on this, but it seems to me that, just
maybe, there could be a much higher rate of crashes when there are ladies in the cockpit. Maybe this is not the case, and I'm sure the more PC gents here will be quick to jump on me for even suggesting it, but during the past, I have noticed more than a few female names mentioned in news reports about aircraft crashes (with them being one of the pilots, or the only pilot). Just how many female professional pilots are there? Aren't they involved in a disproportionately large number of accidents? Drawing from memory, here are a few: The accident yesterday that killed 10 with the NASCAR racing team had a pilot named Liz (haven't met too many guys named Liz). (Probably pilot error--reasonable guess--because the plane slammed into Bull Mt. in foggy conditions.) The commuter crash last week (Indiana?) had a pilot named Kim. The commuter crash last year (plan overloaded) in Charlotte had a female captain. ValuJet crash in Everglades (in '96 I think) had a female captain. (of course, this one could have gone down regardless of pilot skill, but airliners *have* landed while blazing with flames (Ex: Air Canada in Cincinatti I think). The 1991 Colorado Springs 737 crash had a female in the cockpit. A small cargo plane that landed here in town on a freeway (not on the median, but ONTO rush hour traffic, making a firball out of a van, killing the driver--female pilot survived) a few years ago had a lone female pilot. A fatal crash involving a Navy fighter (probably F-14) off a carrier some time back had a female pilot (just how many female F-14 pilots are there?) See what I mean? ----------- |
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"NoPoliticsHere" wrote in message om... I haven't seen any stats on this, but it seems to me that, just maybe, there could be a much higher rate of crashes when there are ladies in the cockpit. Maybe this is not the case, and I'm sure the more PC gents here will be quick to jump on me for even suggesting it, but during the past, I have noticed more than a few female names mentioned in news reports about aircraft crashes (with them being one of the pilots, or the only pilot). Just how many female professional pilots are there? Aren't they involved in a disproportionately large number of accidents? Drawing from memory, here are a few: The accident yesterday that killed 10 with the NASCAR racing team had a pilot named Liz (haven't met too many guys named Liz). (Probably pilot error--reasonable guess--because the plane slammed into Bull Mt. in foggy conditions.) The commuter crash last week (Indiana?) had a pilot named Kim. The commuter crash last year (plan overloaded) in Charlotte had a female captain. ValuJet crash in Everglades (in '96 I think) had a female captain. (of course, this one could have gone down regardless of pilot skill, but airliners *have* landed while blazing with flames (Ex: Air Canada in Cincinatti I think). The 1991 Colorado Springs 737 crash had a female in the cockpit. A small cargo plane that landed here in town on a freeway (not on the median, but ONTO rush hour traffic, making a firball out of a van, killing the driver--female pilot survived) a few years ago had a lone female pilot. A fatal crash involving a Navy fighter (probably F-14) off a carrier some time back had a female pilot (just how many female F-14 pilots are there?) See what I mean? ----------- If I were you, I would get ready to duck ! :-)) BMC |
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OK troll, I'll bite.
I'm only aware of one rigorous study ever performed to determine the relative aptitude and safety of men vs women pilots as a group. The study was of ferry pilots in World War II and looked at the performance of men and women delivering aircraft to England. Remember, this was in the days of poor weather forecasts and primitive navigation. The study corrected for training and experience to attempt to determine if there was any essential difference between men and women. The conclusion was that there was a statistical basis to support the contention that men should not be allowed to fly aircraft at all! -- Roger Long "NoPoliticsHere" wrote in message om... I haven't seen any stats on this, but it seems to me that, just maybe, there could be a much higher rate of crashes when there are ladies in the cockpit. Maybe this is not the case, and I'm sure the more PC gents here will be quick to jump on me for even suggesting it, but during the past, I have noticed more than a few female names mentioned in news reports about aircraft crashes (with them being one of the pilots, or the only pilot). Just how many female professional pilots are there? Aren't they involved in a disproportionately large number of accidents? Drawing from memory, here are a few: The accident yesterday that killed 10 with the NASCAR racing team had a pilot named Liz (haven't met too many guys named Liz). (Probably pilot error--reasonable guess--because the plane slammed into Bull Mt. in foggy conditions.) The commuter crash last week (Indiana?) had a pilot named Kim. The commuter crash last year (plan overloaded) in Charlotte had a female captain. ValuJet crash in Everglades (in '96 I think) had a female captain. (of course, this one could have gone down regardless of pilot skill, but airliners *have* landed while blazing with flames (Ex: Air Canada in Cincinatti I think). The 1991 Colorado Springs 737 crash had a female in the cockpit. A small cargo plane that landed here in town on a freeway (not on the median, but ONTO rush hour traffic, making a firball out of a van, killing the driver--female pilot survived) a few years ago had a lone female pilot. A fatal crash involving a Navy fighter (probably F-14) off a carrier some time back had a female pilot (just how many female F-14 pilots are there?) See what I mean? ----------- |
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NoPoliticsHere wrote:
Of course if you enumerate all the crashes involving male pilots you'd have to use several megabytes. Lets see, keeping on the NASCAR bent you might try the male pilot who failed to use proper anti-ice procedures and killed Alan Kulwicki. You might try Davey Allison who killed himself and injuring Red Farmer. ValuJet crash in Everglades (in '96 I think) had a female captain. (of course, this one could have gone down regardless of pilot skill, but airliners *have* landed while blazing with flames (Ex: Air Canada in Cincinatti I think). There isn't much you can do on fire but get your aircraft back on the ground. The pilot of the J7 pretty much did that. Return to MIA was the only option and she was doing it as fast as could be maganed. The 1991 Colorado Springs 737 crash had a female in the cockpit. She was the FO. This one is pretty much ascribed to the 737 rudder issues. It wasn't even until another 737 made a smoking hole in Pennsylvania that they even figured out what might of caused it, so it's hard to fault any of the four crewmembers involved. |
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"Roger Long" wrote in message ... OK troll, I'll bite. I'm only aware of one rigorous study ever performed to determine the relative aptitude and safety of men vs women pilots as a group. The study was of ferry pilots in World War II and looked at the performance of men and women delivering aircraft to England. Remember, this was in the days of poor weather forecasts and primitive navigation. The study corrected for training and experience to attempt to determine if there was any essential difference between men and women. The conclusion was that there was a statistical basis to support the contention that men should not be allowed to fly aircraft at all! -- Roger Long "NoPoliticsHere" wrote in message om... I haven't seen any stats on this, but it seems to me that, just maybe, there could be a much higher rate of crashes when there are ladies in the cockpit. Maybe this is not the case, and I'm sure the more PC gents here will be quick to jump on me for even suggesting it, but during the past, I have noticed more than a few female names mentioned in news reports about aircraft crashes (with them being one of the pilots, or the only pilot). Just how many female professional pilots are there? Aren't they involved in a disproportionately large number of accidents? Drawing from memory, here are a few: The accident yesterday that killed 10 with the NASCAR racing team had a pilot named Liz (haven't met too many guys named Liz). (Probably pilot error--reasonable guess--because the plane slammed into Bull Mt. in foggy conditions.) Unknown at this time what the cause ir causes were.... The commuter crash last week (Indiana?) had a pilot named Kim. Once again, way too early to assign a cause... The commuter crash last year (plan overloaded) in Charlotte had a female captain. Overloaded? I read as some wieght and balance "guy" screwed up. If , in fact that was the case........ ValuJet crash in Everglades (in '96 I think) had a female captain. (of course, this one could have gone down regardless of pilot skill, but airliners *have* landed while blazing with flames (Ex: Air Canada in Cincinatti I think). All sorts of errors(some felonious) in that abortion, however, none by the flight crew.... The 1991 Colorado Springs 737 crash had a female in the cockpit. And? Your point is?? A small cargo plane that landed here in town on a freeway (not on the median, but ONTO rush hour traffic, making a firball out of a van, killing the driver--female pilot survived) a few years ago had a lone female pilot. Did she walk, stumble or crawl away? A fatal crash involving a Navy fighter (probably F-14) off a carrier some time back had a female pilot (just how many female F-14 pilots are there?) I have no idea but I seriously doubt there's any "fluffers" in the bunch.... See what I mean? Uh, not really. I'll offer this as advice, if that troll was an attempt to get a date, maybe you "change the bait." T3 |
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Get some stats. Otherwise this is bull.
"NoPoliticsHere" wrote in message om... I haven't seen any stats on this, but it seems to me that, just maybe, there could be a much higher rate of crashes when there are ladies in the cockpit. Maybe this is not the case, and I'm sure the more PC gents here will be quick to jump on me for even suggesting it, but during the past, I have noticed more than a few female names mentioned in news reports about aircraft crashes (with them being one of the pilots, or the only pilot). Just how many female professional pilots are there? Aren't they involved in a disproportionately large number of accidents? Drawing from memory, here are a few: The accident yesterday that killed 10 with the NASCAR racing team had a pilot named Liz (haven't met too many guys named Liz). (Probably pilot error--reasonable guess--because the plane slammed into Bull Mt. in foggy conditions.) The commuter crash last week (Indiana?) had a pilot named Kim. The commuter crash last year (plan overloaded) in Charlotte had a female captain. ValuJet crash in Everglades (in '96 I think) had a female captain. (of course, this one could have gone down regardless of pilot skill, but airliners *have* landed while blazing with flames (Ex: Air Canada in Cincinatti I think). The 1991 Colorado Springs 737 crash had a female in the cockpit. A small cargo plane that landed here in town on a freeway (not on the median, but ONTO rush hour traffic, making a firball out of a van, killing the driver--female pilot survived) a few years ago had a lone female pilot. A fatal crash involving a Navy fighter (probably F-14) off a carrier some time back had a female pilot (just how many female F-14 pilots are there?) See what I mean? ----------- |
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"Roger Long" wrote in message ... OK troll, I'll bite. I'm only aware of one rigorous study ever performed to determine the relative aptitude and safety of men vs women pilots as a group. There was an NTSB study within the past four years that looked at this question. I'm going on memory here, but the aggregate accident rates were not different in a statistically significant way. But there was a suggestion that the causes of accidents were somewhat different across the two groups. Women, it seemed, were more likely to be involved in accidents owing to mishandling the aircraft, while men were more likely to make serious judgment errors. A female friend of mine commented on it thusly: "So what they're saying is women are more likely to be incompetent, while men are just plain stupid." I thought that summed it up pretty well. -cwk. |
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There is very little data available on the subject, largely because
there are so few women who are pilots (about 6% of all pilots, a lower proportion than that of professional pilots). In WWII, the WASPs had an accident rate that was virtually identical to their male counterparts, ferry command in the RAF had women and men flying precisely the same airplanes (Tiger Moths through Spitfires, Typhoons and Lancasters..and all British bombers were single pilot) in precisely the same conditions on delivery flights and the data there is inconsistent, some shows that the accident rate was a dead heat other shows the males had a massively higher accident rate (I suspect it differs in all acidents versus fatal accidents as virtually the same proportion of men and women RAF ferry pilots were killed). A look at NTSB reports about ten years ago had female pilots with a notably lower accident rate than males. Overall, there just isn't a great deal of information available, although informal comments indicate that men are more prone to weather-related accidents due to "macho" attitudes adversely affecting judgment and may be more likely to commit suicide using an aircraft. The Beech commuter accident you related, with a female captain, was so far out of c.g. aft and had a pitch control malfunction, so the sex of the members of the flight crew was irrelevant. You might check on the 737 at Springs, but it doesn't appear that one would matter as the causes hypothesized are rotor cloud induced severe turbulence or rudder hard over, neither of which the crew could have handled, no matter how super human they were. As you said, the Valujet crash could not have been saved by the flight crew unless they were psychic and aborted the flight almost immediately after takeoff (maybe we should screen for that talent g). Once it's all sorted out, I suspect that the stats will probably match that of cars, with women being better drivers/pilots than men, when one looks at the likelihood of an accident. Women seem to exercise better judgment than men, being more willing to decide to reroute or cancel a flight, which, in the end, seems to be the variable that bites most pilots. Beyond that, it's an interesting question, women's bodies are more efficient than men, they can withstand higher g's before graying/blacking out and can go to higher altitudes without oxygen...which makes one wonder why we have men flying fighters at all g. It is an interesting question, and probably one that can never be answered. It seems to me that we should look solely at the judgment and skill of each individual pilot. All the best, Rick (NoPoliticsHere) wrote in message . com... I haven't seen any stats on this, but it seems to me that, just maybe, there could be a much higher rate of crashes when there are ladies in the cockpit. Maybe this is not the case, and I'm sure the more PC gents here will be quick to jump on me for even suggesting it, but during the past, I have noticed more than a few female names mentioned in news reports about aircraft crashes (with them being one of the pilots, or the only pilot). Just how many female professional pilots are there? Aren't they involved in a disproportionately large number of accidents? Drawing from memory, here are a few: The accident yesterday that killed 10 with the NASCAR racing team had a pilot named Liz (haven't met too many guys named Liz). (Probably pilot error--reasonable guess--because the plane slammed into Bull Mt. in foggy conditions.) The commuter crash last week (Indiana?) had a pilot named Kim. The commuter crash last year (plan overloaded) in Charlotte had a female captain. ValuJet crash in Everglades (in '96 I think) had a female captain. (of course, this one could have gone down regardless of pilot skill, but airliners *have* landed while blazing with flames (Ex: Air Canada in Cincinatti I think). The 1991 Colorado Springs 737 crash had a female in the cockpit. A small cargo plane that landed here in town on a freeway (not on the median, but ONTO rush hour traffic, making a firball out of a van, killing the driver--female pilot survived) a few years ago had a lone female pilot. A fatal crash involving a Navy fighter (probably F-14) off a carrier some time back had a female pilot (just how many female F-14 pilots are there?) See what I mean? ----------- |
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"Malcolm Teas" wrote in message Besides, "ladies in the cockpit"? Have you been asleep since 1960? Next thing I know you'll be talking about "lady doctors" or "lady lawyers" too. -Malcolm Teas He probably did over in a medical or legal group. Don't feed the troll -Gig |
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