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Subject: Germany invented it. We shot it down
From: (robert arndt) Date: 2/19/04 5:22 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: (ArtKramr) wrote in message ... Subject: Germany invented it. We shot it down From: "Keith Willshaw" Date: 2/19/04 8:21 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Nuff said. Or bombed it Keith Yeah. I forgot about that part. (grin) Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer Senility will do that to ya Art. Rob Do you know what Germany looked like in 1945? Most kids like you have no idea. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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Subject: Germany invented it. We shot it down
From: (robert arndt) Date: 2/19/04 5:18 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: (ArtKramr) wrote in message ... Nuff said. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer The Luftwaffe shot down 120,000 aircraft of its own Rob Blow your nose. It's running. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"steve gallacci" wrote in message
... Or laughed at it after the war. They really should have mass produced the piloted version of the V-1. Just think, we could have killed more pilots that way, the Nazis would have wasted money and material and, most imporantly, put them in the air flying a straight line and making an easy target. Actually they did build a bunch (some estimates say as many as 250) but it seems that Nazi ideology got in the way of implementing operations, as they could not decide on targets sufficiently valuable to sacrifice Aryan blood for. Between planes like Mistel, commandos like Skorzeny, and sheer number of targets, perhaps there were other reasons. And they didn't institute direck Kamikaze style attacks as a policy. One of the amazing things to me about German aircraft projects in WW2 was how fragmented things often were, multiple teams and such, and so many projects competing for resources. Then they often had problems with leadership interfering with use of weapons (A la the Me-262.) In the end, it was not just allied productivity but the organization of their companies, labor and project bureaus that helped their airmen at the front. Examples like Ford converting to aircraft production and improving things on some planes, etc. Plus the sharing of the Merlin engine by the British and high-test gas by the USA. Russia also got stuff like the DC-3 design. And of course the US/UK Manharttan Project. The Allied organization helped immensely to get scientists, designers and workers the stuff they needed and prioritise things. One of the things applicapable to this thread was the US taking the conventional V-1 design and producing weapons with the idea of using them against Japan, but they never did, the war ending before they could be used. DEP |
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"robert arndt" wrote in message
om... "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Nuff said. Or bombed it Keith And Germany laid waste to Europe and Russia not to mention costing Britain, France, and Belgium their colonies postwar. So glad Germany cost Britain its superpower status and robbed them of developing the A-bomb first (Tube Alloys). Rob Well, the expense of WW2 screwed everybody up for a while. But given the choice of fighting or losing everything, the French and British probably would feel today the cost was worth it. As it was, Hitler did in Germany as bad as anyone. I feel for the Germans for what they went through due to having that regime leading them. As for Britain losing superpower status and the bomb, Britain got the A-Bomb under the terms of the Manhattan Project cooperation. As for Superpower status, Britain is still one of the great powers, and as influence go they are still up there, if just for language and culture. I flip on news broadcasts around the world, and most gov'ts hire english speaking people with english accents to do their news broadcasts. Not to knock Germany, though, the influence they have and the potential there are significant, given their position in Central Europe and their Economy. Germany could also be a nuclear power if they wanted, but they see no need at the time, and as the US and UK are their allies now, things should be OK for them defensively for some time to come. As for the European colonies being lost, that decline started after WW1. Due again to expense. DEP |
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(B2431) wrote in message ...
From: "Keith Willshaw" Date: 2/19/2004 10:21 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Nuff said. Or bombed it Keith Or laughed at it after the war. They really should have mass produced the piloted version of the V-1. Just think, we could have killed more pilots that way, the Nazis would have wasted money and material and, most imporantly, put them in the air flying a straight line and making an easy target. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired The Reichenberg was a effectively a near suicide weapon but the Germans did take care that it wasn't a forgone conclusion. Unlike the Japanese Baka in which the pilot was sealed in his cockpit it did have an escape system: parachute, terminal autopilot and a two seat two cockit versions were made to train pilots presumably with a simulated escape. The As 014 pulse jet was continiously tweeked to improve its speed. With a slightly lightend warload (like the latter buzz bombs) and the tweeked engines which had shown themselves to work at 495mph I expect a speed of 495mph would have been possible or at least necessary for the Reichberg to work. Enough to evade interception. Dodging radar directed guns with proximity fuses might have been more difficult but even there the weapon would have been capable of some degree of weaving. Still such a weapon if it can be made survivable enough for say a 33% or more hit rate and the targets are chosen carefully IT is a mathematically sensible use of resources if it destroys and kills more than it costs. Me 109s in the last stages of the war had an attrition rate of 30%. It takes balls to get in the air in that situation and in some ways their missions would have been almost more pointless than a suicide mission. If it ever got down to the wire do you think the allies would be capable of producing the men for this kind of mission? Sure WWII aircrew had around the 50% chance of completing a tour of duty (about the same as Ed Rasimus had flying thuds over Vietnam). but to face odds like that or like 95% on a single mission? Today I don't you could find such people. |
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From: (robert arndt)
Date: 2/19/2004 7:18 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (ArtKramr) wrote in message ... Nuff said. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer The Luftwaffe shot down 120,000 aircraft of its own Rob I know as a German you have a hard time with English grammar, but what you said was the Luftwaffe shot down 120,000 of their own aircraft. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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Subject: Germany invented it. We shot it down
From: "David E. Powell" Date: 2/19/04 6:24 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Between planes like Mistel, commandos like Skorzeny, You might be interested in visiting my website and reading about the day I had lunch with Skorzeny. Just click on: Lunch With SS STURMGRUPENNFUHRER OTTO SKORZENY Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"robert arndt" wrote in message om... "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Nuff said. Or bombed it Keith And Germany laid waste to Europe and Russia not to mention costing Britain, France, and Belgium their colonies postwar. So glad Germany cost Britain its superpower status and robbed them of developing the A-bomb first (Tube Alloys). Rob Obviously a *quote* ? by someone who has never been "Harms way" |
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