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Old October 15th 05, 01:14 PM
Lakeview Bill
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The original poster got it right with his use of the phrase "Runway ID",
because it is, in fact, an ID based on a number, as opposed to some type of
number.

What is the magnetic heading of Runway 5?

If someone is named "Fred", do you refer to them as "Zero Fred"?

The point is, we are dealing with a "name" which consists of a numeral, as
opposed to an actual number.

The runway is NAMED Runway 5. Why would you prepend a zero to a NAME?




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Old October 15th 05, 03:54 PM
Daniel L. Lieberman
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AIM 4-2-10 "Directions:
....
Examples
1. (Magnetic course) 005 .....zero zero five
2. (True course) 050.............zero five zero true
....."

The magnetic heading of Runway 5 is zero five zero.

The discussion of name versus direction reminds me of the discussion by the
Mad Hatter in Through the Looking Glass. It was used in a computer class to
exemplify the difference between something and its name.

"Lakeview Bill" wrote in message
. ..

The original poster got it right with his use of the phrase "Runway ID",
because it is, in fact, an ID based on a number, as opposed to some type
of
number.

What is the magnetic heading of Runway 5?

If someone is named "Fred", do you refer to them as "Zero Fred"?

The point is, we are dealing with a "name" which consists of a numeral, as
opposed to an actual number.

The runway is NAMED Runway 5. Why would you prepend a zero to a NAME?








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Old October 15th 05, 04:32 PM
Lakeview Bill
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"The magnetic heading of Runway 5 is zero five zero."

No...

The magnetic heading of Runway 5 can be any heading between 046 and 054.

From the Pilot/Controller Glossary: RUNWAY - ...Runways are normally
numbered in relation to their magnetic direction rounded off to the nearest
10 degrees...

Go to http://www.airnav.com/ and examine some of their airport information
sheets.

For example at KIGQ, with a magnetic variation of 02W (1995), RWY 18 has a
heading of: 182 magnetic, 180 true.

So, it really is best to think of a "runway number" not as a number, but as
a name composed of numeric characters 0-9 plus "L", "R", "C".



"Daniel L. Lieberman" wrote in message
m...

AIM 4-2-10 "Directions:
...
Examples
1. (Magnetic course) 005 .....zero zero five
2. (True course) 050.............zero five zero true
...."

The magnetic heading of Runway 5 is zero five zero.

The discussion of name versus direction reminds me of the discussion by

the
Mad Hatter in Through the Looking Glass. It was used in a computer class

to
exemplify the difference between something and its name.

"Lakeview Bill" wrote in message
. ..

The original poster got it right with his use of the phrase "Runway ID",
because it is, in fact, an ID based on a number, as opposed to some type
of
number.

What is the magnetic heading of Runway 5?

If someone is named "Fred", do you refer to them as "Zero Fred"?

The point is, we are dealing with a "name" which consists of a numeral,

as
opposed to an actual number.

The runway is NAMED Runway 5. Why would you prepend a zero to a NAME?










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Old October 15th 05, 04:43 PM
Gary Drescher
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"Lakeview Bill" wrote in message
. ..
The magnetic heading of Runway 5 can be any heading between 046 and 054.

From the Pilot/Controller Glossary: RUNWAY - ...Runways are normally
numbered in relation to their magnetic direction rounded off to the
nearest
10 degrees...

Go to http://www.airnav.com/ and examine some of their airport information
sheets.

For example at KIGQ, with a magnetic variation of 02W (1995), RWY 18 has a
heading of: 182 magnetic, 180 true.

So, it really is best to think of a "runway number" not as a number, but
as
a name composed of numeric characters 0-9 plus "L", "R", "C".


If you don't think of the runway number as a number (corresponding to an
approximate heading), then how do you form an expectation about which
direction to fly to enter, say, a downwind leg for a particular runway?

--Gary


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Old October 15th 05, 04:54 PM
Lakeview Bill
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Good point...

I was dealing with "runway numbers" while communicating, where it probably
is best to think of them as a "name".

But, as you point out, one would want to think of it as a number while
aviating...




"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
...
"Lakeview Bill" wrote in message
. ..
The magnetic heading of Runway 5 can be any heading between 046 and 054.

From the Pilot/Controller Glossary: RUNWAY - ...Runways are normally
numbered in relation to their magnetic direction rounded off to the
nearest
10 degrees...

Go to http://www.airnav.com/ and examine some of their airport

information
sheets.

For example at KIGQ, with a magnetic variation of 02W (1995), RWY 18 has

a
heading of: 182 magnetic, 180 true.

So, it really is best to think of a "runway number" not as a number, but
as
a name composed of numeric characters 0-9 plus "L", "R", "C".


If you don't think of the runway number as a number (corresponding to an
approximate heading), then how do you form an expectation about which
direction to fly to enter, say, a downwind leg for a particular runway?

--Gary




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Old October 15th 05, 05:00 PM
Bob Gardner
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This thread prompted me to fire up my Summit Aviation CD and search for all
usages of "runway number." (The CD includes just about every piece of paper
issued by the FAA.) In all of their examples of radio transmissions, they
use two-digit runway numbers. Other references just use a parenthetical
(runway number) to indicate where the runway number belongs. There is not
one instance where a leading zero is called for.

Bob Gardner

"Daniel L. Lieberman" wrote in message
m...

AIM 4-2-10 "Directions:
...
Examples
1. (Magnetic course) 005 .....zero zero five
2. (True course) 050.............zero five zero true
...."

The magnetic heading of Runway 5 is zero five zero.

The discussion of name versus direction reminds me of the discussion by
the Mad Hatter in Through the Looking Glass. It was used in a computer
class to exemplify the difference between something and its name.

"Lakeview Bill" wrote in message
. ..

The original poster got it right with his use of the phrase "Runway ID",
because it is, in fact, an ID based on a number, as opposed to some type
of
number.

What is the magnetic heading of Runway 5?

If someone is named "Fred", do you refer to them as "Zero Fred"?

The point is, we are dealing with a "name" which consists of a numeral,
as
opposed to an actual number.

The runway is NAMED Runway 5. Why would you prepend a zero to a NAME?










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Old October 15th 05, 05:06 PM
Gary Drescher
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"Lakeview Bill" wrote in message
. ..
"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
...
"Lakeview Bill" wrote in message
. ..
So, it really is best to think of a "runway number" not as a number,
but
as a name composed of numeric characters 0-9 plus "L", "R", "C".


If you don't think of the runway number as a number (corresponding to an
approximate heading), then how do you form an expectation about which
direction to fly to enter, say, a downwind leg for a particular runway?

Good point...

I was dealing with "runway numbers" while communicating, where it probably
is best to think of them as a "name".

But, as you point out, one would want to think of it as a number while
aviating...


But if you're going to think of runway numbers as names while communicating
but as numbers while aviating, then why not make the same distinction for
the numbers that designate headings, altitudes, airspeeds, etc.?

There are some numbers in aviation that are really just names (airway
designations, aircraft model designations, tail numbers, etc.). But runway
numbers are really numbers.

--Gary


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Old October 15th 05, 05:07 PM
Jose
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In all of their examples of radio transmissions, they
use two-digit runway numbers. There is not
one instance where a leading zero is called for.


Do you mean that all the examples happen to use runway numbers in the
range 10-36, and that they never happened to use runway numbers which
point northeast?

Convenient, no?

Jose
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Old October 15th 05, 05:48 PM
Doug
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Strickly speaking the runway names are names and not headings. For
example at Denver, runway 16L is 170 degrees magnetic due to their
being a runway 17L and R already with the same magnetic heading.

As for the runway 8 or zero 8, it seems to be always written 8 and not
08, but I don't think it is a big error, though apparently some pilots
are being taught this way, because you do hear it.

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Old October 15th 05, 05:58 PM
A. Smith
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"Lakeview Bill" wrote in message
. ..
The original poster got it right with his use of the phrase "Runway ID",
because it is, in fact, an ID based on a number, as opposed to some type
of
number.

What is the magnetic heading of Runway 5?

If someone is named "Fred", do you refer to them as "Zero Fred"?

The point is, we are dealing with a "name" which consists of a numeral, as
opposed to an actual number.

The runway is NAMED Runway 5. Why would you prepend a zero to a NAME?


Not just to you Bill but..............when you are on short final to a
runway heading about 010 degrees does it have "1" or "01" painted on it?

Allen


 




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