Why did Bush join the national guard?

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Steven P. McNicoll"
Date: 9/5/2004 2:47 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message
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And as far as I know, nobody was flying B26's during the Vietnam era.


Well, not Martin B-26s.


And the highest rate of killing its crews.One a day in Tampa Bay. The
widowmaker, The B-dash-Crash.The flying Prostitute, The Flying Coffin. Got it
now wannabee?


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Thomas J. Paladino Jr."
Date: 9/5/2004 2:43 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Thomas J. Paladino Jr."
Date: 9/5/2004 1:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Thomas J. Paladino Jr."
Date: 9/5/2004 1:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "George Z. Bush" am
Date: 9/5/2004 12:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Jack G wrote:
OK Art, tell that to a combat Marine - face to face. If all
that
happens
is
he asks you where you fought - and then laughs in your face
when
you
tell
him you will be a very lucky man.
Jack G.

Just for the record, Jack, during WWII, the 8th Air Force
sustained
more
casualties over Europe than the entire United States Marine
Corps
did
world-wide
throughout the entire war. If you don't believe me, just ask
Google
the
right
questions and they'll provide the same answer that I just
did....I
know
because
I've already done it.

George Z.


That's just the 8th. Then add the 9th and the 15th and all the
air
forces
in
the Pacific and you have a total that makes air duty the most
hazardous
in
the
history of of warfare. Wanna live? Join anything but the Air
Forces..
Or
fly
B-52's over Iraq. Or do what Bush did. which was nothing.


You mean, 'which was fly a dangerous, difficult, occasionally
explosive,
1950's vintage supersonic interceptor for 3 years.'


Piece of cake compared ot a B-26 Marauder. Check rhe records. And
what
did you
fly?


I wasn't even alive until 1977.

And as far as I know, nobody was flying B26's during the Vietnam era.
So
try
to compare apples to apples. At the time, the F102 was a far more
perilous
aircraft than many of the others flying at the time.


How the hell would you know?


So nobody is able to know anything until the point of their actual birth?
Kind of defeats the purpose of history books, no?

I know because I've looked into it, the same way I know that there are
pyramids in Egypt.



A very distant and impersonal route to knowledge.

But almost always the only one available. Did you personally fly every
aircraft of the Vietnam era in order to make comparisons regarding their
flight characteristics? No, probably not. Just being alive at the time does
not give you an automatic knowledge of such things, and likewise, not having
been born yet does not necessarially mean that you don't know anything about
the subject either.

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Thomas J. Paladino Jr."
Date: 9/5/2004 2:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Thomas J. Paladino Jr."
Date: 9/5/2004 2:43 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Thomas J. Paladino Jr."
Date: 9/5/2004 1:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Thomas J. Paladino Jr."
Date: 9/5/2004 1:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "George Z. Bush" am
Date: 9/5/2004 12:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Jack G wrote:
OK Art, tell that to a combat Marine - face to face. If all
that
happens
is
he asks you where you fought - and then laughs in your face
when
you
tell
him you will be a very lucky man.
Jack G.

Just for the record, Jack, during WWII, the 8th Air Force
sustained
more
casualties over Europe than the entire United States Marine
Corps
did
world-wide
throughout the entire war. If you don't believe me, just ask
Google
the
right
questions and they'll provide the same answer that I just
did....I
know
because
I've already done it.

George Z.


That's just the 8th. Then add the 9th and the 15th and all the
air
forces
in
the Pacific and you have a total that makes air duty the most
hazardous
in
the
history of of warfare. Wanna live? Join anything but the Air
Forces..
Or
fly
B-52's over Iraq. Or do what Bush did. which was nothing.


You mean, 'which was fly a dangerous, difficult, occasionally
explosive,
1950's vintage supersonic interceptor for 3 years.'


Piece of cake compared ot a B-26 Marauder. Check rhe records. And
what
did you
fly?


I wasn't even alive until 1977.

And as far as I know, nobody was flying B26's during the Vietnam era.
So
try
to compare apples to apples. At the time, the F102 was a far more
perilous
aircraft than many of the others flying at the time.


How the hell would you know?


So nobody is able to know anything until the point of their actual birth?
Kind of defeats the purpose of history books, no?

I know because I've looked into it, the same way I know that there are
pyramids in Egypt.



A very distant and impersonal route to knowledge.

But almost always the only one available.

But that doesn't mean it's worth a damn.

..
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Steven P. McNicoll"
Date: 9/5/2004 2:47 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message
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And as far as I know, nobody was flying B26's during the Vietnam era.


Well, not Martin B-26s.


And the highest rate of killing its crews.One a day in Tampa Bay. The
widowmaker, The B-dash-Crash.The flying Prostitute, The Flying Coffin.


Actually, the B-26 had the lowest rate of killing it's crews.



Got it now wannabee?


Nobody wants to be like you.

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Steven P. McNicoll"
Date: 9/5/2004 2:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Champaign is in Illinois, not Texas.


It is used as an adjective. Not a noun.


Then it is used improperly.


Then slap his wrist oh mighty warrior


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Steven P. McNicoll"
Date: 9/5/2004 3:00 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Steven P. McNicoll"
Date: 9/5/2004 2:47 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message
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And as far as I know, nobody was flying B26's during the Vietnam era.


Well, not Martin B-26s.


And the highest rate of killing its crews.One a day in Tampa Bay. The
widowmaker, The B-dash-Crash.The flying Prostitute, The Flying Coffin.


Actually, the B-26 had the lowest rate of killing it's crews.




Total absolute bull**** as usual I flew a tour in B-26's and I don't need
opinions from wannabeees like you who have zero air time in a B-26's or
anything else.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message
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But almost always the only one available. Did you personally fly every
aircraft of the Vietnam era in order to make comparisons regarding their
flight characteristics? No, probably not. Just being alive at the time
does
not give you an automatic knowledge of such things, and likewise, not
having
been born yet does not necessarially mean that you don't know anything
about
the subject either.


Art knows nothing of Vietnam era aircraft. Art has learned nothing of
military aviation since the day he left the USAAF.

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Actually, the B-26 had the lowest rate of killing it's crews.


Total absolute bull**** as usual I flew a tour in B-26's and I don't need
opinions from wannabeees like you who have zero air time in a B-26's or
anything else.


It wasn't an opinion. Anybody that knows anything about the Martin B-26
knows it had the lowest loss rate. But don't take my word for it, look it
up yourself. Any B-26 reference will show it.

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Steven P. McNicoll"
Date: 9/5/2004 3:11 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Actually, the B-26 had the lowest rate of killing it's crews.


Total absolute bull**** as usual I flew a tour in B-26's and I don't need
opinions from wannabeees like you who have zero air time in a B-26's or
anything else.


It wasn't an opinion. Anybody that knows anything about the Martin B-26
knows it had the lowest loss rate. But don't take my word for it, look it
up yourself. Any B-26 reference will show it.



You are confusing losses in combat and losses in training. There is more than
one way to die in an airplane. Didn't you read about that in any of your
books?


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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It wasn't an opinion. Anybody that knows anything about the Martin B-26
knows it had the lowest loss rate. But don't take my word for it, look it
up yourself. Any B-26 reference will show it.


You are confusing losses in combat and losses in training.


I'm not confusing anything. Obviously you're no expert on the B-26. Why,
you're just a wannabe!