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Refinishing Ventus b Fuselage
On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 5:43:10 PM UTC-7, POPS wrote:
'Richard Pfiffner[_2_ Wrote: ;977287']On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 5:43:08 AM UTC-7, POPS wrote:- 'Richard Pfiffner[_2_ Wrote: - ;976901']Pictures and process for refinishing a ventus b fuselage. Work in progress pictures and process as work is completed. http://www.craggyaero.com/ventus.htm Richard www.craggyaero.com- Yo, that's a great pic log. I know you said you'd never do it, but when your all finished you could roll your old trusty-rusty all-terrain tow vehicle in there, hook it onto that lazy-susan contraption and put the spit shine to that sucker! Just think how Gooood yud look coming and going! Just think about it... -- POPS- Previa has a new paint job already. 441,236 miles replaced the right door handle, never changed transmission fluid. changed spark plugs and engine oil. On to 500K Noooooo, don't tell me you don't have that Urban Assault Vehicle rust patina hood any more? Your calling card is gone! You're just another joe in the crowd. Well, at least the interior's still setting the standard. Or did ya blow it there too? -- POPS Patina will be back as soon as I hit another deer or two. Richard |
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Refinishing Ventus b Fuselage
"Bam....be.......".
Yes, I have hit a deer at about 50MPH, amazing the damage that can be done. :-( |
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I've always wondered if someone who wanted to create make a business refinishing gliders , here in the USA, make a go of it. It seems to me its a lot of semi skilled monotonous labor.
I've employed many Mexicans that are Really good with there hands and produce high quality work. And they want to work , show up everyday rain or snow or shine. These guys work for 15-17/hr here in Telluride. I've told Craggy I can send him some help when he gets tired but so far he seems to keep moving forward on his own! |
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Ask that Kingair 350 owner how he liked having the rivet heads sanded off by semiskilled laborerers a few years ago. The airplane was totaled!
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Refinishing Ventus b Fuselage
Nick, the refinish question is a large problem for an aging fleet of gliders with gelcoat. That club GROB which is worth about $30,000 but needs refinishing will cost around $20,000 to refinish commercially if the club cannot do it using members sweat equity. Same with other aging gliders with gelcoat. There has to be a better way in which a single company with the right tools (think standing robot) could specialize in this type of refinish at a lower cost structure. Hats off to Richard for documenting his refinish project. There used to be a company in Eastern Europe that did refinish and refurbishment of older gliders. Anyone know if they are still in business?
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Refinishing Ventus b Fuselage
On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 2:56:36 PM UTC-4, John Seaborn (A8) wrote:
Nick, the refinish question is a large problem for an aging fleet of gliders with gelcoat. That club GROB which is worth about $30,000 but needs refinishing will cost around $20,000 to refinish commercially if the club cannot do it using members sweat equity. Same with other aging gliders with gelcoat. There has to be a better way in which a single company with the right tools (think standing robot) could specialize in this type of refinish at a lower cost structure. Hats off to Richard for documenting his refinish project. There used to be a company in Eastern Europe that did refinish and refurbishment of older gliders. Anyone know if they are still in business? http://refinish.pl/en |
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Anyone know if they are still in business?
http://refinish.pl/en https://www.aerospool.sk/index.php/e...f-gliders.html |
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On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 2:56:36 PM UTC-4, John Seaborn (A8) wrote:
Nick, the refinish question is a large problem for an aging fleet of gliders with gelcoat. That club GROB which is worth about $30,000 but needs refinishing will cost around $20,000 to refinish commercially if the club cannot do it using members sweat equity. Same with other aging gliders with gelcoat. There has to be a better way in which a single company with the right tools (think standing robot) could specialize in this type of refinish at a lower cost structure. Hats off to Richard for documenting his refinish project. There used to be a company in Eastern Europe that did refinish and refurbishment of older gliders. Anyone know if they are still in business? "Going" rate(what people have been paying) is about $27k for a 15 meter glider. That would put the Grob at more like $35k at the same shop. UH |
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At 18:56 23 October 2018, John Seaborn A8 wrote:
There used to be a company in Eastern Europe that did refinish and ref= urbishment of older gliders. Anyone know if they are still in business? There's a fair few companies very active in refinishing gliders, in Eastern Europe. Prices vary though, as does quality. |
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Refinishing Ventus b Fuselage
On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 11:49:08 AM UTC-4, Nick Kennedy wrote:
I've always wondered if someone who wanted to create make a business refinishing gliders , here in the USA, make a go of it. It seems to me its a lot of semi skilled monotonous labor. I've employed many Mexicans that are Really good with there hands and produce high quality work. And they want to work , show up everyday rain or snow or shine. These guys work for 15-17/hr here in Telluride. I've told Craggy I can send him some help when he gets tired but so far he seems to keep moving forward on his own! Hey Nick, It's an excellent question - some of us who have done more than 1 refinish have had a lot of time to ponder this question in the middle of every 4 hour sanding session :-) Quick back of the envelope would be something like this: - Routine full refinish of a standard class glider for a shop with the right tools, process and skills is around 450 hours (just as a baseline - YMMV) - Rough SWAG suggests 25% skilled 75% un/semi-skilled - Figure you want to charge the skilled labor at $60/hr and the un/semi-skilled at $25/hr (note - assume the owner/operator is the skilled guy/gal and that there is some margin on the un-skilled rate that goes to him/her as well) - At those ratios and rates the labor for a refinish would be about: * $6750 for the high-skilled * $8500 for the un/semi-skilled * Total labor around $15K +/- - Add in another $5000 for materials and consumables, shop charges, other fixed costs - You're at a $20K refinish +/- a few percent. - You can argue around the margins a bit (say bill the unskilled out at $18/hr), but it's not going to end up with a $10K number. Kind of explains why the only people refinishing 1st and 2nd generation glass are either DIY owners or clubs. P3 |
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