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Old January 27th 05, 06:32 PM
Daniel L. Lieberman
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"George Patterson" wrote in message
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gatt wrote:

"...those who will forgot to lower their landing gear."

Was told this by a guest instructor. I'm not at all comfortable with
this.

Thoughts?


One of the AOPA Pilot writers put it very well. He wrote that, if this
statement
were actually true, the best thing for someone transitioning to
retractable gear
would be to do a gear-up landing immediately and get it over with.

George Patterson
He who marries for money earns every penny of it.


If you use a written checklist EVERY time and form the habit of doing a
safety check on final EVERY time this should never happen.

I have caught a failure of the gear to lower on a final safety check which
proves the necessity for the safety check. (The instructor had pulled the
gear lowering circuit breaker and I had not looked back when doing the GUMPS
check to check the light. I had also failed to look out the window and ask
the instructor to verify that the right hand gear was down.) That is what
the final safety check is for.

Has anyone heard of an accidental gear up landing during a part 135
operation? I believe the PTS requirement for the Commercial Checkride of
using an appropriate check list helps prevent this problem. Also there is -
at least in a 172RG - a gear up warning horn.



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Old January 27th 05, 06:47 PM
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"...those who will forgot to lower their landing gear."

Was told this by a guest instructor. I'm not at all comfortable with this.

Thoughts?

-c



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Old January 27th 05, 06:54 PM
Peter R.
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gatt ) wrote:

"...those who will forgot to lower their landing gear."

Was told this by a guest instructor. I'm not at all comfortable with this.

Thoughts?


I first started my flight training back in 1989 at Waterbury/Oxford,
Connecticut. Based at that airport was an aircraft whose owner landed
not once, but twice without extending his gear.

Now that I am flying a retractable-gear aircraft, I have decided to give
my "those who will do so" card to that pilot.

Now, this saying goes, "There are those who will do so multiple times,
and those who donated their moment to these few."


--
Peter





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Old January 27th 05, 07:04 PM
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My father, who had many hours in 57 different types (see
http://users.erols.com/viewptmd/Dad.html), finally did it well after getting
out of the Air Force, in his Mooney M-18 ("Mite"). It's a tiny little
airplane, but typical of Mooneys, retractible and fast. As the plane
settled past where it should have gone "chirp" he had that sinking, oh ****!
moment. Fortunately, with a wooden prop there was little damage except to
the prop, his ego and the paint on the bottom. I don't even think they tore
down the engine. OTOH, he was really embarrassed. He'd always assumed
those things only happened to other, poorer pilots. Since I'm not complex
rated, I doubt that I'll ever have the chance to do it. Still...

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


"gatt" wrote in message
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"...those who will forgot to lower their landing gear."

Was told this by a guest instructor. I'm not at all comfortable with

this.

Thoughts?

-c





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Old January 27th 05, 07:07 PM
Corky Scott
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:47:17 -0800, "gatt"
wrote:

"...those who will forgot to lower their landing gear."

Was told this by a guest instructor. I'm not at all comfortable with this.

Thoughts?


Sure, stick to non retracts.

Corky Scott
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Old January 27th 05, 07:14 PM
Gene Seibel
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I haven't and probably won't - only because I've never flown a retract
and probably never will. I've done plenty to make up for it though.
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Because I fly, I envy no one.

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Old January 27th 05, 07:19 PM
George Patterson
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gatt wrote:

"...those who will forgot to lower their landing gear."

Was told this by a guest instructor. I'm not at all comfortable with this.

Thoughts?


One of the AOPA Pilot writers put it very well. He wrote that, if this statement
were actually true, the best thing for someone transitioning to retractable gear
would be to do a gear-up landing immediately and get it over with.

George Patterson
He who marries for money earns every penny of it.
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Old January 27th 05, 07:22 PM
Bob Gardner
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I would guess that among those who participate in this newsgroup there are
only one or two (if that many) who have done the deed. The saying is a good
motivator, but hardly a prediction of things to come. IMHO saying
(internally) something like "three greens" at least twice before short final
should eliminate the possibility of landing gear up. Worked for me.

Bob Gardner

"gatt" wrote in message
...

"...those who will forgot to lower their landing gear."

Was told this by a guest instructor. I'm not at all comfortable with
this.

Thoughts?

-c





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Old January 27th 05, 07:32 PM
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gatt wrote:
"...those who will forgot to lower their landing gear."

Was told this by a guest instructor. I'm not at all comfortable with

this.

Thoughts?

-c


My thought is that such fatalistic thinking serves no purpose
whatsoever. Surely there are better teaching tools than "Just accept
the inevitable".

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Old January 27th 05, 08:03 PM
Maule Driver
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I've always understood the message in that saying to be, "never think
you've become so proficient that you are not subject to leaving the gear
up" Not fatalistic but a warning to the wise.

A corollary: "Whatever your method for remembering to get the gear down,
remember no method is foolproof."

Bob G said that "IMHO saying (internally) something like "three greens"
at least twice before short final should eliminate the possibility of
landing gear up. Worked for me." I'd say, "so far..." with
considerable respect Bob..

There's always SOMETHING that can screw up your short final planning
(e.g. bird strike, a streaker) and cause you to forget. If you haven't
seen that SOMETHING yet, just keep living.

I almost did it in my glider despite a foolproof method that worked for
1000 hours and hundreds of non-standard patterns and landings.
Fortunately it happened during a contest and an observant ground crew
radioed me 10 feet off the ground.

gatt wrote:
"...those who will forgot to lower their landing gear."

Was told this by a guest instructor. I'm not at all comfortable with this.

Thoughts?

-c



 




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