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Speaking of Fuel Ripoffs...
Got a fuel bill from our FBO (KUMP Indianapolis Metro) the other day.
Not only do they charge one of the highest fuel prices around, they also charge 6% Indiana sales tax on top of the 1% Indianapolis Airport Authority surcharge (because they can). When I called to inquire about charging 6% sales tax on the fuel they just said "that is how we've done it for 20 years and everyone else does it like that too." I've never had a sales tax added on top of the fuel price before. I thought that all the taxes we included in the price of the fuel? Anyone else ever experience this? Jon |
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Speaking of Fuel Ripoffs...
On Mar 27, 7:00 am, Jon Kraus wrote:
Got a fuel bill from our FBO (KUMP Indianapolis Metro) the other day. Not only do they charge one of the highest fuel prices around, they also charge 6% Indiana sales tax on top of the 1% Indianapolis Airport Authority surcharge (because they can). When I called to inquire about charging 6% sales tax on the fuel they just said "that is how we've done it for 20 years and everyone else does it like that too." I've never had a sales tax added on top of the fuel price before. I thought that all the taxes we included in the price of the fuel? Anyone else ever experience this? Jon I have been to many places around the country in which the local sales tax was not included in the fuel price but added on to the price of the fuel. I think it just depends upon how the FBO wants to display the cost of fuel. It may be a local custom to add the local sales tax at FBOs around Indianapolis. Cary |
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Money grubbing FBO's
I think it is very sad that we are losing more and more FBO's around
the country. Just yesterday I received notice from an FBO (Wings) that has been in operation in Saint Paul for 39 years is now closing because of lack of funds. If the only way these FBOs can stay in business is to charge higher fees for fuel and add a ramp fee for parking, then they need to do that and we have to support them as best as we can. Otherwise, we will continue to lose FBOs, training facilities, GA pilots, and ultimately the airport. I don't like paying these fees either, but I know that most GA FBOs are not making a ton of money but are barely hanging on. Cary On Mar 24, 8:59 pm, "wise purchaser" wrote: what has happened? I have been seeing multiple FBO's charging for using the ramp from 10 to 25 bucks to park per day also RIPPING me off for fuel. Charging almost 4.50++ a gallon for AVGAS. PLUS county flowage tax! snip Comments??? |
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Money grubbing FBO's
On Mar 24, 7:59 pm, "wise purchaser" wrote:
what has happened? I have been seeing multiple FBO's charging for using the ramp from 10 to 25 bucks to park per day also RIPPING me off for fuel. Charging almost 4.50++ a gallon for AVGAS. PLUS county flowage tax! http://www.airnav.com/ is your friend. I haven't bought fuel at home for nearly 2 years. I make a fuel stop on the way out of town and an hour or so before getting home. Small county and city airports all over are trying to attract visitors by selling without the big price markups. Support them and work the free market at the same time. -- Gene Seibel Tales of Flight - http://pad39a.com/gene/tales.html Because I fly, I envy no one. |
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Speaking of Fuel Ripoffs...
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:00:01 -0400, Jon Kraus
wrote: Got a fuel bill from our FBO (KUMP Indianapolis Metro) the other day. Not only do they charge one of the highest fuel prices around, they also charge 6% Indiana sales tax on top of the 1% Indianapolis Airport Authority surcharge (because they can). When I called to inquire about charging 6% sales tax on the fuel they just said "that is how we've done it for 20 years and everyone else does it like that too." I've never had a sales tax added on top of the fuel price before. I thought that all the taxes we included in the price of the fuel? Anyone else ever experience this? I stopped overnight at Topeka. Gas prices looked pretty good, until I got the bill. They added all taxes on to the pump price. I purchased at Salina on the way back and like Michigan their pump prices included all taxes. We have sales tax on about everything. Jon Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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Money grubbing FBO's
On Mar 27, 6:52 am, "Cary" wrote:
I think it is very sad that we are losing more and more FBO's around the country. Just yesterday I received notice from an FBO (Wings) that has been in operation in Saint Paul for 39 years is now closing because of lack of funds. If the only way these FBOs can stay in business is to charge higher fees for fuel and add a ramp fee for parking, then they need to do that and we have to support them as best as we can. Otherwise, we will continue to lose FBOs, training facilities, GA pilots, and ultimately the airport. I don't like paying these fees either, but I know that most GA FBOs are not making a ton of money but are barely hanging on. Again, I repeat my challenge. If anyone thinks the FBOs are charging way to much, start your own fuel business, charge 10 cents/gal less and become rich. If it doesn't work, then maybe the FBO isn't overcharging as much as you think. -Robert |
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Speaking of Fuel Ripoffs...
On Mar 27, 8:00 am, Jon Kraus wrote:
Got a fuel bill from our FBO (KUMP Indianapolis Metro) the other day. Not only do they charge one of the highest fuel prices around, they also charge 6% Indiana sales tax on top of the 1% Indianapolis Airport Authority surcharge (because they can). When I called to inquire about charging 6% sales tax on the fuel they just said "that is how we've done it for 20 years and everyone else does it like that too." I've never had a sales tax added on top of the fuel price before. I thought that all the taxes we included in the price of the fuel? Anyone else ever experience this? I know at my airport (KTTA in NC) my flying club rents planes wet but we break out the base plane rental from the fuel, because we have to charge sales tax on the rental but don't have to charge it on the fuel, because the fuel price already includes all taxes. We verified this with the state revenue department. It makes a difference of about $2 in the hourly rates, and every little bit helps... I wonder how many other places that rent wet are inadvertantly paying double tax on their fuel (once when they fill the plane, then when they pay sales tax on the wet rental). |
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Speaking of Fuel Ripoffs...
Jon Kraus wrote:
Got a fuel bill from our FBO (KUMP Indianapolis Metro) the other day. Not only do they charge one of the highest fuel prices around, they also charge 6% Indiana sales tax on top of the 1% Indianapolis Airport Authority surcharge (because they can). When I called to inquire about charging 6% sales tax on the fuel they just said "that is how we've done it for 20 years and everyone else does it like that too." I've never had a sales tax added on top of the fuel price before. I thought that all the taxes we included in the price of the fuel? Anyone else ever experience this? Jon I had that happen years ago DRIVING though Indiana. On my way back I filled up before the state line. I have see it elsewhere also. Fayetteville, AR (KFYV) does this. I always that was taxing a tax. But, they can. -- Regards, Ross C-172F 180HP KSWI |
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Money grubbing FBO's
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Mar 27, 6:52 am, "Cary" wrote: I think it is very sad that we are losing more and more FBO's around the country. Just yesterday I received notice from an FBO (Wings) that has been in operation in Saint Paul for 39 years is now closing because of lack of funds. If the only way these FBOs can stay in business is to charge higher fees for fuel and add a ramp fee for parking, then they need to do that and we have to support them as best as we can. Otherwise, we will continue to lose FBOs, training facilities, GA pilots, and ultimately the airport. I don't like paying these fees either, but I know that most GA FBOs are not making a ton of money but are barely hanging on. Again, I repeat my challenge. If anyone thinks the FBOs are charging way to much, start your own fuel business, charge 10 cents/gal less and become rich. If it doesn't work, then maybe the FBO isn't overcharging as much as you think. -Robert You do realize that at MANY airports the FBO has an agreement with the airport owner that they are the only ones that can sell fuel? Mine, KELD, is but one example. I can bring my own fuel but I can't sell it to someone else. The stipulation is in my grond lease for my hanger. |
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Speaking of Fuel Ripoffs...
Ross wrote:
I had that happen years ago DRIVING though Indiana. On my way back I filled up before the state line. I have see it elsewhere also. Fayetteville, AR (KFYV) does this. I always that was taxing a tax. But, they can. And it is a Fayetteville thing because it isn't done everywhere in Arkansas. |
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