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Guy Alcala wrote: wrote: snip A good Deuce radar was at least as good as an F4D radar; we could detect jet transports and B52 out as far as 150 miles over the water, certainly 125 over the Midwestern plains. snip Walt, you've got to be careful about leaving out the dash in F-4D on rec.aviation.military.naval, or they'll think you're talking about _their_ F4D, the Douglas Skyray aka the Ford;-) snip Re the capabilities of the F-4D radar, O'Brien, in his book "The Hungry Tigers", says that the F-4D's radar (he flew them at Phu Cat in the 12thTFW) just wasn't in the same league (for an interceptor) as the F-106's MA-1, as far as ECCM modes. He may have been referring to all the IR/Radar options, but I got the impression he meant the actual ECCM circuitry. Have you ever heard any similar comments from other ADC guys? Guy Guy, O'Brien's correct as to the ECCM. The 102 was better against ECM than the F4-D. (Not the Ford; the Deuce was way better than that little delta wing, including in ACM, fairly easily outflying it.) The 6 had some really cute tricks including deceptive non-IR ECCM modes. The Phantom seemed to depend on brute power for a 'burn-through' to see the target despite ECM 'cloaking'. Also I don't know what was built into the Sparrows but that giant 'spotlight' CW illuminator must have tested pretty good against ECM or the USN would have added some more tricks to protect their precious CVs. FWIW I went through ADC's Interceptor Weapons School (including the IRSTS) in 1963 and got a pretty good idea of what the 6's new ECCM mods were. As for the Phantom, our Ds could pick up the KC135s at 75+ over the Thailand hills. An F4J pilot with me one night (we were SEAD/escorting AC130 gunships) was amazed to see that. I asked him "Aren't your Js that good?" He replied "Not after 3 or 4 carrier landings . . ." The Zipper was so simple that the new ECM mods (multiple target, range gate stealer, angle deception) didn't affect it. Noise just aided the Zipper as the max range on the 104A's scope was only 20 miles. Get a big blob of noise, center it on the scope, go 2.0 and see what was making the jamming . . . Walt BJ |
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John Carrier wrote:
Last fighter cruise was Sep 75 through Mar 76, VF-191 and 194 on Oriskany. F-8J's. We had a simple intercept doctrine: "Give us a talley-ho." R / John Were you with one of those squadrons at that time? ACC USN ret. NKX, BIKF, NAB, CV-63, NIR 67-69 69-71 71-74 77-80 80-85 & 74-77 Founder: RAMN (rec.aviation.military.naval) |
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"Jim" wrote in message ... John Carrier wrote: Last fighter cruise was Sep 75 through Mar 76, VF-191 and 194 on Oriskany. F-8J's. We had a simple intercept doctrine: "Give us a talley-ho." R / John Were you with one of those squadrons at that time? VF-191 |
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John Carrier wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message ... John Carrier wrote: Last fighter cruise was Sep 75 through Mar 76, VF-191 and 194 on Oriskany. F-8J's. We had a simple intercept doctrine: "Give us a talley-ho." R / John Were you with one of those squadrons at that time? VF-191 Which side of the tower did you pass by during the 500ft (MSL) S-N flyby? Or might you have been the one to pass below the tower and between crash crew building? ACC USN ret. NKX, BIKF, NAB, CV-63, NIR 67-69 69-71 71-74 77-80 80-85 & 74-77 Founder: RAMN (rec.aviation.military.naval) |
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