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"Pechs1" wrote...
In VF-151, Fox " have ya seen my moovie' Farrell hung a buddy store on the CL of our F-4 with wing tanks, and then refueled another F-4, got a pic of it but can't find it. The give was just about nuthin but we did for a airshow. Ah, the things we used to be able to do for fun on the ol' Mudway... I also seem to remember a LONG string of alleged "100% FMC" reports from VF-161 (IIRC)... |
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"Thomas Schoene" wrote in message thlink.net...
Doug "Woody" and Erin Beal wrote: What's the replacement for the S-3? CSA got cancelled years ago. For ASW, MH-60Rs and prayer, mainly. For everything else, land-based air and the Super Bug. Don't tell Fred McCall that carriers will be beholden to land based air. If you do you will join the legions that have been Plonked By Fred |
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On 1/1/04 9:03 AM, in article
.net, "Thomas Schoene" wrote: Pechs1 wrote: Too bad. Altho I am not a VS guy, there are butt loads of Chinese 'U boats' that will be an 'issue' in the future, IMO. Do the Blackhawks onboard the CVs have a antisub mission? Seahawks, not Blackhawks, and yes, ASW is the main job for the SH-60F (well, when they're not doing VERTREP or Plane Guard). But there are only four or six per carrier. -- Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail "If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed) I know that it's probably been explained here before, but... Somebody wanna go over the realignment of the HS and HSL communities? That is, conversion of SH-60B and HH-60H to SH-60S and R's and what each helo's mission will be? --Woody |
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Doug "Woody" and Erin Beal wrote:
Somebody wanna go over the realignment of the HS and HSL communities? That is, conversion of SH-60B and HH-60H to SH-60S and R's and what each helo's mission will be? Sure. Hardware first. The plan is to reduce the four current types of battlegroup helos -- SH-60B in the escorts, SH-60F and HH-60H on the carriers, and CH-46s in the logistics ships -- to two types -- the MH-60R (formerly SH-60R) and the MH-60S (formerly CH-60S). The MH-60R will replace both types of SH-60; it will do ASW, SUW, and VERTREP. It's basically an improved LAMPS-type helo with dipping sonar so it can operate around the carrier as well as in the screen. The MH-60S will replace the HH-60H and CH-46; it will do VERTREP, SUW, SAR/CSAR, and SOF support. The MH-60S is also supposed to be taking over the AMCM and VOD missions from the MH-53, but they seem to be backing away from that a bit in the last few months. (Yes, the MH-60S does look way over-tasked to me, even without AMCM to deal with.) All of these helos will be new builds. Plans to convert old H-60s (B, F and H) to MH-60Rs were dropped a couple of years ago when this turned out to be more expensive in terms of lifecycle costing than just buying new helos. The MH-60S has always been new construction, since it's got a larger interior and different structure than the existing Seahawks. Now the community re-organization. I understand that the plan is for each battlegroup to have two helo squadrons -- one HSM (formerly HS or HSL) and one HSC (formerly HC). The HSM squadron will operate MH-60Rs; it will be reponsible for ASW helos on both the carrier and the escorts. The HSC squadron will operate the MH-60Ss; again reponsible for helos on both the carrier and the supporting logistics ships. There will also be a few HSMs and HSCs operating more like the current HSLs, sending out "expeditionary" detachments with the smaller surface groups. The realignment is discussed in this Sea Power article. I'm slightly skeptical about their breakout of the squadron designations, but the rest looks the same as I remember from Proceedings. http://www.navyleague.org/sea_power/nov_03_33.php -- Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail "If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed) |
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Ah, the things we used to be able to do for fun on the ol' Mudway...
MIDWAY departed the Port of Oakland under tow on New Year's Eve, bound for San Diego to complete her conversion to a museum ship. She had been undergoing some heavy refurbishment at a local yard to prepare her for her new life. -- Mike Kanze " . . . Greed powers the capitalist impulse as gasoline powers the combustion engine, and, like gasoline, has noxious properties that must be monitored." - Julia Homer, Editor-in-Chief - CFO Magazine, December 2003 "John R Weiss" wrote in message news:it_Ib.252294$_M.1147212@attbi_s54... "Pechs1" wrote... In VF-151, Fox " have ya seen my moovie' Farrell hung a buddy store on the CL of our F-4 with wing tanks, and then refueled another F-4, got a pic of it but can't find it. The give was just about nuthin but we did for a airshow. Ah, the things we used to be able to do for fun on the ol' Mudway... I also seem to remember a LONG string of alleged "100% FMC" reports from VF-161 (IIRC)... |
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