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PC flight sim for training?
On 01/16/2006 12:10 PM, Denny wrote:
This is an old thread I stumbled across... Wanted to mention ASA's, ON TOP, IFR proficiency simulator... I also have FS2004Pro, but I prefer the instrument panel that ON TOP has... Besides, this is IFR practice, why are we rating sims on how realistic the scenery is? Anyway, I fly IFR in an old Apache, which is not on either sim, so I simply dial up a Bonanza or a Baron and use that... And I do not have a yoke, just use a joy stick... I do not notice the differences when getting in the real airplane... My reflexes are geared to accomodate the cockpit I'm in at themoment... It is procedures that need repetition, not power settings, joy stick versus yoke, etc... cheers ... denny The problem I have with the simulators (I use MS FS 2004) is that the yoke doesn't really represent the trimmed-out speed of the airplane (in that if you let go of the yoke/stick, the airplane will do what it is trimmed to do). As a result, I spend a lot of time getting the trim set to the point where the attitude will remain relatively constant. This can be really irritating when changing configuration (like when entering a holding pattern after cruise flight). I wonder if there is a way to tell the simulator to manage the trim a little better? I've looked some ... need to look more. -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane Sacramento, CA |
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On 1/16/2006 2:21 PM, Mark Hansen wrote the following: I wonder if there is a way to tell the simulator to manage the trim a little better? I've looked some ... need to look more. ASA's IP Trainer does not do it. Elite doesn't do it. PFC yokes do feel pretty reak-world, though, unlike the cheapies. I have had some time in a Frasca and in it, too, pitch control was a PITA. I've been told that pretty much all simulators are bad at this. |
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Denny wrote:
Besides, this is IFR practice, why are we rating sims on how realistic the scenery is? Because at some point you pop below the layer and land visually? ;-) -- Peter |
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PC flight sim for training?
"Mitty" wrote in message ...
On 1/16/2006 2:21 PM, Mark Hansen wrote the following: I wonder if there is a way to tell the simulator to manage the trim a little better? I've looked some ... need to look more. ASA's IP Trainer does not do it. Elite doesn't do it. PFC yokes do feel pretty reak-world, though, unlike the cheapies. I have had some time in a Frasca and in it, too, pitch control was a PITA. I've been told that pretty much all simulators are bad at this. Yes. I've logged time in the old WW2-era, vacuum-driven Link Trainers. They were easy to hate, too, for the same reason. |
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PC flight sim for training?
Simulators are designed to not fully trim to a stable
a/s-heading, the design parameter is to make the pilots fly. If you can fly a simulator, whether it is a basic PC based software job or a $10,000,000 full motion, full visual state of the art jet, the airplane will be easy. -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P -- The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. some support http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties. "Mark Hansen" wrote in message ... | On 01/16/2006 12:10 PM, Denny wrote: | This is an old thread I stumbled across... Wanted to mention ASA's, ON | TOP, IFR proficiency simulator... I also have FS2004Pro, but I prefer | the instrument panel that ON TOP has... | Besides, this is IFR practice, why are we rating sims on how realistic | the scenery is? | | Anyway, I fly IFR in an old Apache, which is not on either sim, so I | simply dial up a Bonanza or a Baron and use that... And I do not have a | yoke, just use a joy stick... I do not notice the differences when | getting in the real airplane... My reflexes are geared to accomodate | the cockpit I'm in at themoment... It is procedures that need | repetition, not power settings, joy stick versus yoke, etc... | | cheers ... denny | | | The problem I have with the simulators (I use MS FS 2004) is that | the yoke doesn't really represent the trimmed-out speed of the airplane | (in that if you let go of the yoke/stick, the airplane will do what it | is trimmed to do). | | As a result, I spend a lot of time getting the trim set to the point | where the attitude will remain relatively constant. This can be really | irritating when changing configuration (like when entering a holding | pattern after cruise flight). | | I wonder if there is a way to tell the simulator to manage the trim | a little better? I've looked some ... need to look more. | | | -- | Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane | Sacramento, CA |
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That makes them better trainers, you have to scan and fly
all the time. "Mitty" wrote in message ... | | | On 1/16/2006 2:21 PM, Mark Hansen wrote the following: | | I wonder if there is a way to tell the simulator to manage the trim | a little better? I've looked some ... need to look more. | | ASA's IP Trainer does not do it. Elite doesn't do it. PFC yokes do feel pretty | reak-world, though, unlike the cheapies. | | I have had some time in a Frasca and in it, too, pitch control was a PITA. I've | been told that pretty much all simulators are bad at this. |
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PC flight sim for training?
Mark Hansen wrote:
On 01/16/2006 12:10 PM, Denny wrote: This is an old thread I stumbled across... Wanted to mention ASA's, ON TOP, IFR proficiency simulator... I also have FS2004Pro, but I prefer the instrument panel that ON TOP has... Besides, this is IFR practice, why are we rating sims on how realistic the scenery is? Anyway, I fly IFR in an old Apache, which is not on either sim, so I simply dial up a Bonanza or a Baron and use that... And I do not have a yoke, just use a joy stick... I do not notice the differences when getting in the real airplane... My reflexes are geared to accomodate the cockpit I'm in at themoment... It is procedures that need repetition, not power settings, joy stick versus yoke, etc... cheers ... denny The problem I have with the simulators (I use MS FS 2004) is that the yoke doesn't really represent the trimmed-out speed of the airplane (in that if you let go of the yoke/stick, the airplane will do what it is trimmed to do). As a result, I spend a lot of time getting the trim set to the point where the attitude will remain relatively constant. This can be really irritating when changing configuration (like when entering a holding pattern after cruise flight). I wonder if there is a way to tell the simulator to manage the trim a little better? I've looked some ... need to look more. It's been a while since I've used my copy of On Top but there is a feature called 'auto trim' that I map to one of the buttons on the joystick. (That's the way I remember it, anyway.) I put the nose where I want it, press the button, and it's trimmed. Let's me focus on the things that I need to practice. Tom |
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The problem I have with the simulators (I use MS FS 2004) is that
the yoke doesn't really represent the trimmed-out speed of the airplane (in that if you let go of the yoke/stick, the airplane will do what it is trimmed to do). As a result, I spend a lot of time getting the trim set to the point where the attitude will remain relatively constant. This can be really irritating when changing configuration (like when entering a holding pattern after cruise flight). I prefer a simple gamepad-style controller for my IFR sim. The left thumb is the joystick for elevator and aileron. The right thumb uses the four buttons which are set for throttle-increment, throttle-decrement, elevator-trim-increment, and elevator-trim-decrement. This works well for me in MSFS and X-Plane. Doesn't work in OnTop or IPTrainer because they use their idiotic non-standard drivers which are not nearly as flexible nor reliable. Turn turbulence way up to improve your scan. Add thunderstorms for pretty visual effects. -- Cheers, John Clonts Temple, Texas N7NZ |
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I've got over 30 hours in the Frasca and have never had problems
setting the trim. In fact one of the instructors (I've taken the courses at the local college) used to chide me for flying entire practice sequences (45 minutes) with nothing but the trim for everything other than the takeoff. We've got 4 ATPs (is that the right company?) but I haven't had a chance to use those yet. They're for the multi students. I've got FS2002 and have never been able to get trim to work properly. |
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PC flight sim for training?
"Mitty" wrote in message ... On 1/16/2006 2:21 PM, Mark Hansen wrote the following: I wonder if there is a way to tell the simulator to manage the trim a little better? I've looked some ... need to look more. ASA's IP Trainer does not do it. Elite doesn't do it. PFC yokes do feel pretty reak-world, though, unlike the cheapies. I have had some time in a Frasca and in it, too, pitch control was a PITA. I've been told that pretty much all simulators are bad at this. f0r MS FS2004 take a look at the following from NG alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim It's not real but it seems to vastly improve the time it takes to trim. RealTrim 0.9 http://library.avsim.net/search.php?SearchTerm=realtrim-0-9.zip RealTrim is a Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004(tm) Module. Activated via key-press it converts the current elevator deflection into trim as the sim-pilot moves the yoke forward or backwards. This maps closely to trimming an airplane in real-life where pressure on the elevator felt through the yoke is trimmed out by the pilot operating a trim wheel. As the sim-pilot smoothly moves the joystick into neutral position, RealTrim automatically adjusts the elevator trim so the airplane stays in its current pitch configuration. This mechanism is superior to moving the joystick into neutral while tapping a trim-key or moving a trim-axis. That's because moving the joystick's axis and modifying trim are not linked to each other and especially difficult in the case of tapping a trim-key. Filename: realtrim-0-9.zip License: Freeware, limited distribution Added: 24th January 2006 Downloads: 32 Author: Nils Meier Size: 22kb |
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