Operation Cyanide and the USS Liberty (was: Navy crew remembers 1967 Israeli attack)

(Mike Weeks) wrote:
(Issac Goldberg) wrote:
(Mike Weeks) wrote:
(Issac Goldberg) wrote:

In both the Lavon Affair and the Liberty Attack, one of Israel's
goals was the removal of Nasser from power in Egypt.
LOL; say what. Attacking a US ship was going to remove Nasser, is that right??
Operation Cyanide: after the Liberty was sunk, and after
Egypt had been framed, the US would drop a nuclear bomb
on Egypt. Nasser would be gone.
LOL: you idiot; greater Cairo would be gone given your warped understanding of
something which has no documentation ...

I said nothing about the target of the nuclear attack. Why do you
assume that it would have been Cairo? Killing Nasser would have
made him a martyr. Israel definitely did not want to do that. The
bomb could have been dropped in the desert as a warning, and it
would have had the desired effect.

In fact, one of the
planes that LBJ had recalled was armed with a nuclear bomb.

First, LBJ ordered nothing of the kind.

You cannot prove that, since it is impossible to prove a negative.
LBJ would have been very careful to avoid leaving any evidence,
and he would probably destroy any evidence which arose.

LBJ was not stupid.

Second, it takes/took a presidential order
to even launch such armed aircraft if not an exercise or other non-war setting.

I agree that Johnson must have known and approved of Operation
Cyanide. To minimize suspicion, the pilot was probably told it
was an exercise. If everything had gone according to plan,
he would have gotten attack orders while he was airborne,
instead of getting recall orders.

Oh, here's some real documentation:

start
Z 081316Z JUN 67
FM CTF SIX ZERO
TO USS AMERICA
USS SARATOGA
...
S E C R E T
DEFENSE USS LIBERTY
...
4. DEFENSE OF USS LIBERTY MEANS EXACTLY THAT. DESTROY OR DRIVE OFF ANY
ATTACKERS WHO ARE CLEARLY MAKING ATTACKS ON LIBERTY. REMAIN OVER INTERNATIONAL
WATERS. DEFEND YOURSELF IF ATTACKED.
end

What's your point, other than to highlight that the Navy jets
did not reach the Liberty despite their orders? And when are
you going to tell us about the arrogant jet jocks that you had
to deal with?

False flag operations require enormous amount of effort
to produce 'evidence' which would:

1) 'prove' that the attack was done by somebody else.

In the case of Lavon Affair, false evidence was left to implicate
the Muslim Brotherhood, such as leaving copies of the Koran with
Muslim Brotherhood literature inside which would then be found
serendipitously at the attack sites (sound familiar?)

In Operation Cyanide, evidence would have been fabricated to
'prove' that Egypt sunk the Liberty, Hence, the submarine which
just 'happened' to be there, may have had the mission to take
photographs which would later be modified to show that it was
Egyptian planes rather than Israeli planes which attacked the
Liberty. Even in the days before digital photography, it was
possible to alter photographs to show whatever you wanted.

2) provide alibis to the guilty parties, and destroy evidence
which would implicate Israel and the United States.

The moral standing of the United States has certainly fallen
world wide because of the torture photographs from Iraq. Imagine
the world response if it were learned that the U.S. was involved
in a nuclear attack based on a fabricated pretext. To keep this
knowledge secret, it may be necessary to conduct a long term
operation to silence critics, perhaps using name calling, ridicule,
changing the subject, non sequiturs, in fact, all the things that
you do, Weeks.

Oh, BTW, you skipped over: What happened to the claim it was to prevent the US
from learning of the open-secret that the Golan Heights were most likely to be
attacked next? Huh?

I'm sure Washington had prior knowledge of Israel's intention
to attack Syria, and that Washington gave Israel a green light
to proceed. The whole point of the SDW was not just to defeat
the Arabs, but to improve the relationship between Israel and
the United States. Looking at U.S. foreign military aid to Israel
since that time, relations obviously did improve. Israel now
gets billions of dollars in military aid from the United States
every year, and the trend has been upwards.