VOTE ...HTML or Plain Text???

"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
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HTML doesn't recognize spaces except for one. Put in ten and you
still get one. The &nbsp is required in HTML if you want to space
something over more than one space.

Your defense of OE is well-intentioned, but not exactly accurate. The
presence of the nbsp tags happens even when NO spaces have been specified in
the original text, or perhaps only one. They are NOT just showing up to try
to match what the user entered.

I have seen OE and Front Page add nbsp to my HTML plenty of times to know
for a fact that it's not just trying to obey my commands. It's doing it
arbitrarily.

Pete

"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
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For one, It makes it far easier to read for those who use text to
audio converters.

You need a smarter text to audio converter.

Unless the newsgroup is rec.aviation.blind-pilots, I see no reason that the
preferred standard should be abandonded just for a small number of people
who may have special needs.

Pete

Roger Halstead wrote in message
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[snip]

Those old text only news readers are far safer than OE, or Outlook
with HTML enabled.

I use Agent (the full version) for news groups and OE for mail (with
HTML and the other *stuff* turned off, so it's a straight text reader.
I much prefer OE to the supposedly more superior Outlook.


How DO you turn off HTML etc. in OE for reading? I looked for a while last
night and couldn't find it...

Thanks!
John Clonts
Temple, Texas

Steve House wrote:
I have to say that I don't understand the emotional
attachment some people have for software that dates to the days when
monitors ran on kerosene instead of electricity, especially when products
that reflect the current state of the art like OE are free or very, very
inexpensive.

Well, I'm emotionally attached to not enabling unnecessary security
holes for no great benefit.

OE is a never-ending security hole. Our IT people beg us not to use
it.

Sydney

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:31:34 -0500, "John Clonts"
wrote:


How DO you turn off HTML etc. in OE for reading? I looked for a while last
night and couldn't find it...

Tools, Options, Read, Read all messages in plain text.

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:52:44 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
wrote:

"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
.. .
HTML doesn't recognize spaces except for one. Put in ten and you
still get one. The &nbsp is required in HTML if you want to space
something over more than one space.

Your defense of OE is well-intentioned, but not exactly accurate. The

It's not my intention to defend any of the programs. It's just the
%nbsp is added by virtually all WYSIWYG HTML editors.

presence of the nbsp tags happens even when NO spaces have been specified in
the original text, or perhaps only one. They are NOT just showing up to try
to match what the user entered.

I have seen OE and Front Page add nbsp to my HTML plenty of times to know
for a fact that it's not just trying to obey my commands. It's doing it
arbitrarily.

They don't really do it arbitrarily. They are added at the beginning
of paragraphs and lines where a hard return has been used and for
other obscure reasons. They do follow rules to enter the darn things,
but whether they do it arbitrarily of following rules the characters
are still a nuisance. It's just that they are not just specific to
Outlook and OE.

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

Pete

I strongly vote: NO on HTML.

For many reasons: People could easily include / embed ads. Browser
incompatibility / accessibility issues for those with lesser eyesight
/ large fonts by default (usurped by the html post).



As for top-posting: YES.

I think it's actually useful. You should post a response related to
the relevant thread of discussion. I'm sick of reading thru 10posts
about a flame or random thing, just to get back to the original thread
of discussion.

"Sydney Hoeltzli" wrote in message
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OE is a never-ending security hole. Our IT people beg us not to use
it.

Every program you use is a potentially never-ending security hole, and those
that intentionally receive data from the Internet are especially so. If
your IT people are so concerned about network security, they ought not to
allow you to use ANY software that accepts data from the Internet.

I'm as against HTML in Usenet newsgroups as much as the next guy, but it has
nothing to do with a belief that not using HTML will ensure my security.

Pete

"noah" wrote in message
om...
As for top-posting: YES.

I think it's actually useful. You should post a response related to
the relevant thread of discussion. I'm sick of reading thru 10posts
about a flame or random thing, just to get back to the original thread
of discussion.

What does staying on-topic have to do with top-posting?

ArtP wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:31:34 -0500, "John Clonts"
wrote:


How DO you turn off HTML etc. in OE for reading? I looked for a while
last
night and couldn't find it...

Tools, Options, Read, Read all messages in plain text.


Hmm, thanks for the reply, but that option is not in my Tools/Options/Read
properties dialog. Outlook Express 5.00. What version are you using?

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas