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Plane down - NASCAR team plane crashes...
Don't know if there are many NASCAR fans here, but one of the teams planes
crashed today. Right now there seems to be some conflict of the names of the passengers, but here is one of the news stories. Hendrick Motorsports plane crashes, police say 05:32 PM EDT on Sunday, October 24, 2004 By DANIELLE SCHULMAN / WCNC.com A Hendrick Motorsports Aviation plane headed to the Subway 500 in Martinsville, Virginia, has crashed in the Bull Mountain area of Virginia, state police there confirm. "The plane was en route to Martinsville and they lost it on radar and that's all the information we have," said one NASCAR official. "We've been in contact with Rick Hendrick.we just don't have a lot of details at the moment.we are going to say a prayer for everyone in the Hendick organization." Rick Hendrick was not on the plane, say NASCAR officials. Several high-placed sources inside NASCAR confirm these passengers on the plane: Tony Stewart's helicopter pilot (who was not piloting the plane), two people who were piloting the plane, John Hendrick (Rick Hendrick's brother), Ricky Hendrick, Randy Dorton and his two daughters. The FAA and NTSB are investigating. Bull Mountain lies to the west of Martinsville in the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains. Hendrick Motorsports Aviation is based out of Concord, N.C. A pilot for the company says that they own about 11 or 12 planes. The pilot says he was still waiting to hear what happened and that he had heard something had happened. Those planes fly all over the country, he said. The airport the plane was heading into is called the Blue Ridge Airport and is eight miles southwest of Martinsville. This airport is much smaller than the Charlotte-Douglas International Airport, with only two runways. There is no control tower in the immediate area. The planes that fly into airport are supposed to get clearance to land from Greensboro. About 62 flights per day land at the airport. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.782 / Virus Database: 528 - Release Date: 10/22/2004 |
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Chuck wrote:
Don't know if there are many NASCAR fans here, but one of the teams planes crashed today. Right now there seems to be some conflict of the names of the passengers, but here is one of the news stories. Hendrick Motorsports plane crashes, police say 05:32 PM EDT on Sunday, October 24, 2004 By DANIELLE SCHULMAN / WCNC.com A Hendrick Motorsports Aviation plane headed to the Subway 500 in Martinsville, Virginia, has crashed in the Bull Mountain area of Virginia, state police there confirm. "The plane was en route to Martinsville and they lost it on radar and that's all the information we have," said one NASCAR official. "We've been in contact with Rick Hendrick.we just don't have a lot of details at the moment.we are going to say a prayer for everyone in the Hendick organization." Rick Hendrick was not on the plane, say NASCAR officials. Several high-placed sources inside NASCAR confirm these passengers on the plane: Tony Stewart's helicopter pilot (who was not piloting the plane), two people who were piloting the plane, John Hendrick (Rick Hendrick's brother), Ricky Hendrick, Randy Dorton and his two daughters. The FAA and NTSB are investigating. Bull Mountain lies to the west of Martinsville in the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains. Hendrick Motorsports Aviation is based out of Concord, N.C. A pilot for the company says that they own about 11 or 12 planes. The pilot says he was still waiting to hear what happened and that he had heard something had happened. Those planes fly all over the country, he said. The airport the plane was heading into is called the Blue Ridge Airport and is eight miles southwest of Martinsville. This airport is much smaller than the Charlotte-Douglas International Airport, with only two runways. There is no control tower in the immediate area. The planes that fly into airport are supposed to get clearance to land from Greensboro. About 62 flights per day land at the airport. updated often http://jayski.thatsracin.com/cupnews.htm N.C. TV station http://www.wral.com |
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Look at the approach chart for the RNAV 12 at MTV. Bull Mountain is the 3211
ft obstacle very close to the FAF. They'd have to have gone below the 4300 ft minimum for that segment prior to the FAF. Sat deal, for sure. "Chuck" wrote in message . .. Don't know if there are many NASCAR fans here, but one of the teams planes crashed today. Right now there seems to be some conflict of the names of the passengers, but here is one of the news stories. Hendrick Motorsports plane crashes, police say 05:32 PM EDT on Sunday, October 24, 2004 By DANIELLE SCHULMAN / WCNC.com A Hendrick Motorsports Aviation plane headed to the Subway 500 in Martinsville, Virginia, has crashed in the Bull Mountain area of Virginia, state police there confirm. "The plane was en route to Martinsville and they lost it on radar and that's all the information we have," said one NASCAR official. "We've been in contact with Rick Hendrick.we just don't have a lot of details at the moment.we are going to say a prayer for everyone in the Hendick organization." Rick Hendrick was not on the plane, say NASCAR officials. Several high-placed sources inside NASCAR confirm these passengers on the plane: Tony Stewart's helicopter pilot (who was not piloting the plane), two people who were piloting the plane, John Hendrick (Rick Hendrick's brother), Ricky Hendrick, Randy Dorton and his two daughters. The FAA and NTSB are investigating. Bull Mountain lies to the west of Martinsville in the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains. Hendrick Motorsports Aviation is based out of Concord, N.C. A pilot for the company says that they own about 11 or 12 planes. The pilot says he was still waiting to hear what happened and that he had heard something had happened. Those planes fly all over the country, he said. The airport the plane was heading into is called the Blue Ridge Airport and is eight miles southwest of Martinsville. This airport is much smaller than the Charlotte-Douglas International Airport, with only two runways. There is no control tower in the immediate area. The planes that fly into airport are supposed to get clearance to land from Greensboro. About 62 flights per day land at the airport. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.782 / Virus Database: 528 - Release Date: 10/22/2004 |
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"quote" on CNN's news article on 10/25/04 about the crash...
paste of copywrighted material Driver Rusty Wallace, also a pilot, said he considered the airports in Talladega, Ala., and Martinsville the two most dangerous facilities to fly into for races. end paste Anyone care to comment on this, or what exactly he might be referring to. For the sake of this issue, lets assume that he was not misquoted nor paraphrased by some well meaning journalist. And, yea.. I looked at the plate for RNAV 12.. the rocks ARE close but they do have separation if you fly the approach as charted... Dave OtisWinslow wrote: Look at the approach chart for the RNAV 12 at MTV. Bull Mountain is the 3211 ft obstacle very close to the FAF. They'd have to have gone below the 4300 ft minimum for that segment prior to the FAF. Sat deal, for sure. "Chuck" wrote in message . .. Don't know if there are many NASCAR fans here, but one of the teams planes crashed today. Right now there seems to be some conflict of the names of the passengers, but here is one of the news stories. Hendrick Motorsports plane crashes, police say 05:32 PM EDT on Sunday, October 24, 2004 By DANIELLE SCHULMAN / WCNC.com A Hendrick Motorsports Aviation plane headed to the Subway 500 in Martinsville, Virginia, has crashed in the Bull Mountain area of Virginia, state police there confirm. "The plane was en route to Martinsville and they lost it on radar and that's all the information we have," said one NASCAR official. "We've been in contact with Rick Hendrick.we just don't have a lot of details at the moment.we are going to say a prayer for everyone in the Hendick organization." Rick Hendrick was not on the plane, say NASCAR officials. Several high-placed sources inside NASCAR confirm these passengers on the plane: Tony Stewart's helicopter pilot (who was not piloting the plane), two people who were piloting the plane, John Hendrick (Rick Hendrick's brother), Ricky Hendrick, Randy Dorton and his two daughters. The FAA and NTSB are investigating. Bull Mountain lies to the west of Martinsville in the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains. Hendrick Motorsports Aviation is based out of Concord, N.C. A pilot for the company says that they own about 11 or 12 planes. The pilot says he was still waiting to hear what happened and that he had heard something had happened. Those planes fly all over the country, he said. The airport the plane was heading into is called the Blue Ridge Airport and is eight miles southwest of Martinsville. This airport is much smaller than the Charlotte-Douglas International Airport, with only two runways. There is no control tower in the immediate area. The planes that fly into airport are supposed to get clearance to land from Greensboro. About 62 flights per day land at the airport. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.782 / Virus Database: 528 - Release Date: 10/22/2004 |
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It is a steep approach...
"Dave S" wrote in message ink.net... "quote" on CNN's news article on 10/25/04 about the crash... paste of copywrighted material Driver Rusty Wallace, also a pilot, said he considered the airports in Talladega, Ala., and Martinsville the two most dangerous facilities to fly into for races. end paste Anyone care to comment on this, or what exactly he might be referring to. For the sake of this issue, lets assume that he was not misquoted nor paraphrased by some well meaning journalist. And, yea.. I looked at the plate for RNAV 12.. the rocks ARE close but they do have separation if you fly the approach as charted... Dave OtisWinslow wrote: Look at the approach chart for the RNAV 12 at MTV. Bull Mountain is the 3211 ft obstacle very close to the FAF. They'd have to have gone below the 4300 ft minimum for that segment prior to the FAF. Sat deal, for sure. "Chuck" wrote in message . .. Don't know if there are many NASCAR fans here, but one of the teams planes crashed today. Right now there seems to be some conflict of the names of the passengers, but here is one of the news stories. Hendrick Motorsports plane crashes, police say 05:32 PM EDT on Sunday, October 24, 2004 By DANIELLE SCHULMAN / WCNC.com A Hendrick Motorsports Aviation plane headed to the Subway 500 in Martinsville, Virginia, has crashed in the Bull Mountain area of Virginia, state police there confirm. "The plane was en route to Martinsville and they lost it on radar and that's all the information we have," said one NASCAR official. "We've been in contact with Rick Hendrick.we just don't have a lot of details at the moment.we are going to say a prayer for everyone in the Hendick organization." Rick Hendrick was not on the plane, say NASCAR officials. Several high-placed sources inside NASCAR confirm these passengers on the plane: Tony Stewart's helicopter pilot (who was not piloting the plane), two people who were piloting the plane, John Hendrick (Rick Hendrick's brother), Ricky Hendrick, Randy Dorton and his two daughters. The FAA and NTSB are investigating. Bull Mountain lies to the west of Martinsville in the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains. Hendrick Motorsports Aviation is based out of Concord, N.C. A pilot for the company says that they own about 11 or 12 planes. The pilot says he was still waiting to hear what happened and that he had heard something had happened. Those planes fly all over the country, he said. The airport the plane was heading into is called the Blue Ridge Airport and is eight miles southwest of Martinsville. This airport is much smaller than the Charlotte-Douglas International Airport, with only two runways. There is no control tower in the immediate area. The planes that fly into airport are supposed to get clearance to land from Greensboro. About 62 flights per day land at the airport. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.782 / Virus Database: 528 - Release Date: 10/22/2004 |
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"Dave S" wrote in message
ink.net... "quote" on CNN's news article on 10/25/04 about the crash... paste of copywrighted material Driver Rusty Wallace, also a pilot, said he considered the airports in Talladega, Ala., and Martinsville the two most dangerous facilities to fly into for races. end paste Anyone care to comment on this, or what exactly he might be referring to. For the sake of this issue, lets assume that he was not misquoted nor paraphrased by some well meaning journalist. Dave, Talladega: Mix smoke from 100,000+ camping race fans with a narrow temp / dew point spread and toss in the very close proximity of the runway to the main grandstand of the track. I know I'd be (as we say in racing...) "up on the wheel." As for Martinsville, I have only flown in there once on a CAVU morning at sunrise. It's a very nice airport but the surrounding terrain is quite hilly which is probably not a good thing when you are shooting an approach in actual IMC. The news of the crash certainly put a damper on what was already a cruddy week (WX wise...) in Martinsville. My prayers go out to the Hendrick family and the families of the others who were on board. Jay Beckman Chandler, AZ PP-ASEL Technician - NASCAR on FOX / NBC |
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"Dave S" wrote in message ink.net... "quote" on CNN's news article on 10/25/04 about the crash... paste of copywrighted material Driver Rusty Wallace, also a pilot, said he considered the airports in Talladega, Ala., and Martinsville the two most dangerous facilities to fly into for races. end paste Anyone care to comment on this, or what exactly he might be referring to. For the sake of this issue, lets assume that he was not misquoted nor paraphrased by some well meaning journalist. And, yea.. I looked at the plate for RNAV 12.. the rocks ARE close but they do have separation if you fly the approach as charted... Dave OtisWinslow wrote: Look at the approach chart for the RNAV 12 at MTV. Bull Mountain is the 3211 ft obstacle very close to the FAF. They'd have to have gone below the 4300 ft minimum for that segment prior to the FAF. Sat deal, for sure. The initial FAA report says they had executed a missed approach. As someone pointed out on rec.aviation.ifr, the missed approach calls for a climb to 3000. The initial approach fix (IAF) where they would go for a another attempt, calls for an altitude of 5500. On "many" approaches these altitudes are the same, but if on this approach you were to forget to climb from the 3000 to the 5500 on your way back to the IAF you just might hit Bull Mountain... John Clonts Temple, Texas N7NZ |
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"John Clonts" wrote in message ... "Dave S" wrote in message ink.net... "quote" on CNN's news article on 10/25/04 about the crash... paste of copywrighted material Driver Rusty Wallace, also a pilot, said he considered the airports in Talladega, Ala., and Martinsville the two most dangerous facilities to fly into for races. end paste Anyone care to comment on this, or what exactly he might be referring to. For the sake of this issue, lets assume that he was not misquoted nor paraphrased by some well meaning journalist. And, yea.. I looked at the plate for RNAV 12.. the rocks ARE close but they do have separation if you fly the approach as charted... Dave OtisWinslow wrote: Look at the approach chart for the RNAV 12 at MTV. Bull Mountain is the 3211 ft obstacle very close to the FAF. They'd have to have gone below the 4300 ft minimum for that segment prior to the FAF. Sat deal, for sure. The initial FAA report says they had executed a missed approach. As someone pointed out on rec.aviation.ifr, the missed approach calls for a climb to 3000. The initial approach fix (IAF) where they would go for a another attempt, calls for an altitude of 5500. On "many" approaches these altitudes are the same, but if on this approach you were to forget to climb from the 3000 to the 5500 on your way back to the IAF you just might hit Bull Mountain... Are we looking at the right plate??? The plate that I have shows the IAF at 2600 ? ? ? Maintain 2600 to FAF, then a steeper-than-normal 3.42 deg descent to MAP, 5 nm from FAF ?. MAP (on my plate) is climbing Left turn to 3000 back to hold over the IAF. Others have said this was a climbing RIGHT turn, which would actually make more sense. In either case, it obviously expects that you will not wait to start MAP too late beyond the stated 5nm from FAF. You have only about 7 miles before the serious terrain starts, so you better get that 180 done quickly. |
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"John Clonts" wrote in message ... "Dave S" wrote in message ink.net... "quote" on CNN's news article on 10/25/04 about the crash... paste of copywrighted material Driver Rusty Wallace, also a pilot, said he considered the airports in Talladega, Ala., and Martinsville the two most dangerous facilities to fly into for races. end paste Anyone care to comment on this, or what exactly he might be referring to. For the sake of this issue, lets assume that he was not misquoted nor paraphrased by some well meaning journalist. And, yea.. I looked at the plate for RNAV 12.. the rocks ARE close but they do have separation if you fly the approach as charted... Dave OtisWinslow wrote: Look at the approach chart for the RNAV 12 at MTV. Bull Mountain is the 3211 ft obstacle very close to the FAF. They'd have to have gone below the 4300 ft minimum for that segment prior to the FAF. Sat deal, for sure. The initial FAA report says they had executed a missed approach. As someone pointed out on rec.aviation.ifr, the missed approach calls for a climb to 3000. The initial approach fix (IAF) where they would go for a another attempt, calls for an altitude of 5500. On "many" approaches these altitudes are the same, but if on this approach you were to forget to climb from the 3000 to the 5500 on your way back to the IAF you just might hit Bull Mountain... John Clonts Temple, Texas N7NZ Are we looking at the right plate??? The plate that I have shows the IAF at 2600, not 5500 ? ? ? Maintain 2600 to FAF, then a steeper-than-normal 3.42 deg descent to MAP, 5 nm from FAF ?. MAP (on my plate) is climbing Left turn to 3000 back to hold over the IAF. Others have said this was a climbing RIGHT turn, which would actually make more sense. In either case, it obviously expects that you will not wait to start MAP too late beyond the stated 5nm from FAF. You have only about 7 or 8 more miles before the serious terrain starts, so you better get that 180 done quickly. |
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"OtisWinslow" wrote in message ... Look at the approach chart for the RNAV 12 at MTV. Bull Mountain is the 3211 ft obstacle very close to the FAF. They'd have to have gone below the 4300 ft minimum for that segment prior to the FAF. Sat deal, for sure. I would have thought that a plane such as the one crashed, would have a GPS that had a terrain warning feature, no? Also, what kind of electronic aids, if any, did the destination airport have? My condolences to all involved. -- Jim in NC --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.782 / Virus Database: 528 - Release Date: 10/22/2004 |
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