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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:47:59 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote: : Our new rec.aviation "Rogue's Gallery" of pictures. : :Since our new website is obviously becoming more popular with you folks :every day, I need some advice on how to proceed: : :1. Should I include "anonymous" posters? I have received pictures from :several folks who do not wish to use their real names, have their "N" :numbers visible, or have their home bases publicized. To me this seems :bizarre, since the whole point of "showing off" your plane is to "show ff" -- and how can you do *that* anonymously? Still, I've posted a :couple of them, but I'm not sure of how to proceed. It's YOUR page -- what :do you folks think? Why not? Anonymous pictures wouldn't have as much use as non-anonymous (nominous?) ones do, but it doesn't cost anything to post them. If they're asking *you* to blurr out their N numbers, that's different and you should turn them down. : :2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page, :but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for you? :Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow? Runs OK for me on a cable modem. I like the thumbnails. : :3. Should I include email addresses? I've not included them, thus far -- :but I thought it might be valuable to have an email "directory" of articipants? If you do, make them spambot resistant, like richard atsign riley period net. |
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We all know the problem with our pilot license numbers. The
name and address of a pilot, his SS number and the exact N-number, serial number, and address of his airplane, a very valuable tangible asset, might make easy picking for an identity thief. Am I being overly cautious, yes. You know, I hear this ALL THE TIME -- yet, I've never met a single person who has actually suffered from "identity theft". As you all know, I use my real name, my real address, my real email address (well, mostly), and the real name of my business -- thus far, with minimal hassle. Am I being stupid? Dunno -- but I simply can't bring myself to hide behind a phony name. I *really* enjoy the new Visa commercials, with the guy's voice-over on the little old lady -- they're hilarious and really get the point across about the risks of identity theft. However, they *are* trying to sell a product, and (as a result) the cynic in me rises to the fore. I just have to wonder if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue, once again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell us something? Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate? -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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On 12/12/03 11:47 AM, in article "Jay Honeck"
wrote: Our new rec.aviation "Rogue's Gallery" of pictures. Since our new website is obviously becoming more popular with you folks every day, I need some advice on how to proceed: OK..thanks for asking. 1. Should I include "anonymous" posters? I have received pictures from several folks who do not wish to use their real names, have their "N" numbers visible, or have their home bases publicized. To me this seems bizarre, since the whole point of "showing off" your plane is to "show off" -- and how can you do *that* anonymously? Still, I've posted a couple of them, but I'm not sure of how to proceed. It's YOUR page -- what do you folks think? I vote no. If they don't want people knowing who, where, and what they are, why are they sending you photos? Do they really own/fly the plane? 2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page, but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for you? Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow? OK for me now, but I have cable. 3. Should I include email addresses? I've not included them, thus far -- but I thought it might be valuable to have an email "directory" of participants? Normally, I'd repeat my answer to #1 but, with all of the e-mail harvesting/spamming. I'd say only if people want you too and won't complain if they get spammed as a result. Thanks for your help! You're very welcome. It's a great page! Al 1964 Skyhawk 3082U alcessnapilot at comcast.net |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate? Yes. Over 10 years ago, I received a call from the Secret Service asking if I would be willing to help prosecute someone who had multiple credit cards in my name and that of many other people. I, of course, cooperated. As it happens, they had caught the guys before much had been purchased on the credit card numbers, and while the physical cards were still in their possession. They (the bad guys) had obtained identifying information by picking the utterly ineffective lock on postal clusterboxes at various apartment complexes in Dallas. They were caught, the agent told me, due to an unusual number of new telephone line installation requests that were made to an apartment. The complex owner got suspicious, and called the local cops. The local cops figured it was a numbers operation, and called in the Feds. The FBI handed it to Treasury after observing an unsually high volume of what appeared to be credit card statements going to the same address. Phone record analysis gave them enough along with every thing else gave them enough to get a search warrant, as I recall. (Lots of calls from credit card companies calling for verification. This was apparently necessary because they were asking for cards at an address for which there was no other sustantiating information; they claimed a new move. CC company called "employer" to verify. Each phone represented a different fake employer, for whom they (the bad guys) had a list of "employees." They gave the CC company the new address in verification, and the card was issued.) They had so much evidence that I never had to testify. They (the Secret Service) also worked directly with the credit card companies to get the whole mess cleaned up. So, yes, I know someone. Me. Ben Sego |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
I just have to wonder if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue, once again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell us something? Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate? Yes. Over 10 years ago, I received a call from the Secret Service asking if I would be willing to help prosecute someone who had multiple credit cards in my name and that of many other people. I, of course, cooperated. As it happens, they had caught the guys before much had been purchased on the credit card numbers, and while the physical cards were still in their possession. They (the bad guys) had obtained identifying information by picking the utterly ineffective lock on postal clusterboxes at various apartment complexes in Dallas. They were caught, the agent told me, due to an unusual number of new telephone line installation requests that were made to an apartment. The complex owner got suspicious, and called the local cops. The local cops figured it was a numbers operation, and called in the Feds. The FBI handed it to Treasury after observing an unsually high volume of what appeared to be credit card statements going to the same address. Phone record analysis gave them enough along with every thing else gave them enough to get a search warrant, as I recall. (Lots of calls from credit card companies calling for verification. This was apparently necessary because they were asking for cards at an address for which there was no other sustantiating information; they claimed a new move. CC company called "employer" to verify. Each phone represented a different fake employer, for whom they (the bad guys) had a list of "employees." They gave the CC company the new address in verification, and the card was issued.) They had so much evidence that I never had to testify. They (the Secret Service) also worked directly with the credit card companies to get the whole mess cleaned up. So, yes, I know someone. Me. Ben Sego |
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In article t9uCb.328993$Dw6.1107274@attbi_s02, "Jay Honeck"
writes: You know, I hear this ALL THE TIME -- yet, I've never met a single person who has actually suffered from "identity theft". There are almost 300 million people in the US of which a few tens of thousands have suffered "identity theft". It is not surprising that you have never met a single person who has suffered from "identity theft" but it does happen and is happening with ever greater frequency. I have never suffered from it myself but have met one person who has. It was hell for them and something that I would want to avoid at almost all costs. As you all know, I use my real name, my real address, my real email address (well, mostly), and the real name of my business -- thus far, with minimal hassle. Am I being stupid? Dunno -- but I simply can't bring myself to hide behind a phony name. No, I also use my real name, address and email address but that doesn't give anyone any information that is not available in a host of other places, all of which are easily obtained on almost anyone. I *really* enjoy the new Visa commercials, with the guy's voice-over on the little old lady -- they're hilarious and really get the point across about the risks of identity theft. However, they *are* trying to sell a product, and (as a result) the cynic in me rises to the fore. I just have to wonder if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue, once again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell us something? Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate? -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" What you must be more concerned with is giving out that information which is NOT readily available and which can be used to obtain phoney documents. This includes your social security number, place of birth, drivers license numbers, credit card numbers, passwords, and other personal information. Even that may not be enough to protect you from identity theft but in that case, nothing may be. My best advice is to never give out personal information unless you are absolutely sure of who you are giving it tol. An example, never give you credit card number to someone who calls YOU or to any other solicitation that you receive such as an email reply. If you buy something over the phone or over the internet, make sure you searched out the item and not the other way around. Even then, double check the vendor. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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Hi Jay
1. Should I include "anonymous" posters? No. To me the main point of interest is that through these groups I know the people posting. If they are anonymous, then what is the point? No problem if they don't want their home base publicised though. 2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page, but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for you? Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow? Runs great for me, although I do have high speed cable access. 3. Should I include email addresses? Up to the individual. I don't mind, because the email address that I use in the rec groups is a hotmail one, used especially for the rec groups. I wouldn't use my primary address as I like to keep it spam free. -- Tony Roberts PP-ASEL VFR OTT Night Almost Instrument Cessna 172H C-GICE |
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Since we all know each other by our posting identities, why not use
those? It is possible that someone might use the info about the plane and/or pilot for other than honorable purposes. Some posters might have valid reasons to use a different or incomplete name. Aircraft theft, avionics theft, identity theft are all things that do occur from time to time in our society. We can be somewhat selective about who gets to know us in "real life". But we can't control at all who views our posts, etc. Richard Riley wrote in message . .. On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:47:59 GMT, "Jay Honeck" wrote: : Our new rec.aviation "Rogue's Gallery" of pictures. : :Since our new website is obviously becoming more popular with you folks :every day, I need some advice on how to proceed: : :1. Should I include "anonymous" posters? I have received pictures from :several folks who do not wish to use their real names, have their "N" :numbers visible, or have their home bases publicized. To me this seems :bizarre, since the whole point of "showing off" your plane is to "show ff" -- and how can you do *that* anonymously? Still, I've posted a :couple of them, but I'm not sure of how to proceed. It's YOUR page -- what :do you folks think? Why not? Anonymous pictures wouldn't have as much use as non-anonymous (nominous?) ones do, but it doesn't cost anything to post them. If they're asking *you* to blurr out their N numbers, that's different and you should turn them down. : :2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page, :but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for you? :Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow? Runs OK for me on a cable modem. I like the thumbnails. : :3. Should I include email addresses? I've not included them, thus far -- :but I thought it might be valuable to have an email "directory" of articipants? If you do, make them spambot resistant, like richard atsign riley period net. |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:t9uCb.328993$Dw6.1107274@attbi_s02... We all know the problem with our pilot license numbers. The name and address of a pilot, his SS number and the exact N-number, serial number, and address of his airplane, a very valuable tangible asset, might make easy picking for an identity thief. Am I being overly cautious, yes. You know, I hear this ALL THE TIME -- yet, I've never met a single person who has actually suffered from "identity theft". Well while don't you test it. Start posting your social security number on this newsgroup and others. Probably nothing will happen. As you all know, I use my real name, my real address, my real email address (well, mostly), and the real name of my business -- thus far, with minimal hassle. Am I being stupid? Dunno -- but I simply can't bring myself to hide behind a phony name. You are just being stupid. Yes. I *really* enjoy the new Visa commercials, with the guy's voice-over on the little old lady -- they're hilarious and really get the point across about the risks of identity theft. However, they *are* trying to sell a product, and (as a result) the cynic in me rises to the fore. I just have to wonder if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue, once again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell us something? Kind of like you posting your business url on every post, eh? Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate? Yes. Do you know anyone that has been murdered? dashi Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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