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Rutan on Global Warming
wrote in message news Dan Luke wrote: "Jim Logajan" wrote: Rutan is in agreement with many climate scientists. No, he isn't. Unless the definition of "many" equals 3 or 4. Please provide cites. A few climate scientists are included he http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...global_warming McNicoll's claim was "many". The Wiki link you provided hardly supports that claim, does it? Try this: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-t...keptics-2009-7 Not a single climate scientist in the bunch. Ian Plimer, once a respected geologist, recently made a complete fool of himself by publishing _Heaven + Earth_, a book so full of errors and falsehoods that it has made Plimer a laughingstock. http://bravenewclimate.files.wordpre.../plimer1a9.pdf -- Dan T182T at 4R4 |
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Rutan on Global Warming
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message news Dan Luke wrote: Just about everyone agrees the past few decades are warmer than previous. Not everyone agrees the cause is human. No, just every scientific professional organization in the world. Can you provide anything, ANYTHING, that supports that wild assertion? Here's the list, with some links illustrating the various bodies' positions: American Association of Petroleum Geologists http://dpa.aapg.org/gac/statements/climatechange.pdf American Geophysical Union http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/prrl/prrl0335.html American Astronomical Society http://aas.org/governance/resolutions.php#climate American Institute of Physics (2004) http://www.aip.org/gov/policy12.html American Physical Society http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_1.cfm American Chemical Society http://tinyurl.com/nepc8b American Statistical Association http://www.amstat.org/about/pressrel...matechange.pdf InterAcademy Council Joint Science Academies http://royalsociety.org/document.asp?tip=0&id=7821 International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences http://www.caets.org/cms/7122/7735.aspx European Academy of Sciences and Arts http://www.euro-acad.eu/downloads/me...ct._2008.p df Network of African Science Academies National Academy of Science/National Research Council (US) http://dels.nas.edu/dels/rpt_briefs/...2008_final.pdf International Council for Science European Science Foundation http://www.esf.org/activities/esf-co...=311&year=2009 American Association for the Advancement of Science http://www.aaas.org/news/press_room/..._statement.pdf Federation of American Scientists http://tinyurl.com/neaehf World Meteorological Organization American Meteorological Society http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/2009ge...statement.html Royal Meteorological Society (UK) http://www.rmets.org/weather/liverpool.php Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society http://tinyurl.com/kpsnbz Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences International Union for Quaternary Research American Quaternary Association http://www.agu.org/fora/eos/pdfs/2006EO360008.pdf Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics Max Planck Institute http://tinyurl.com/knuex6 European Geosciences Union Canadian Federation of Earth Sciences Geological Society of America http://www.geosociety.org/positions/pos10_climate.pdf The Royal Society http://royalsociety.org/downloaddoc.asp?id=1630 I'd be interested to see your list of professional scientific organizations who say human activities are *not* responsible for the warming of past few decades. -- Dan T182T at 4R4 |
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Rutan on Global Warming
On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 08:06:11 -0500, "Dan Luke"
wrote: "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message news Dan Luke wrote: Just about everyone agrees the past few decades are warmer than previous. Not everyone agrees the cause is human. No, just every scientific professional organization in the world. Can you provide anything, ANYTHING, that supports that wild assertion? Here's the list, with some links illustrating the various bodies' positions: American Association of Petroleum Geologists http://dpa.aapg.org/gac/statements/climatechange.pdf American Geophysical Union http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/prrl/prrl0335.html American Astronomical Society http://aas.org/governance/resolutions.php#climate American Institute of Physics (2004) http://www.aip.org/gov/policy12.html American Physical Society http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_1.cfm American Chemical Society http://tinyurl.com/nepc8b American Statistical Association http://www.amstat.org/about/pressrel...matechange.pdf InterAcademy Council Joint Science Academies http://royalsociety.org/document.asp?tip=0&id=7821 International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences http://www.caets.org/cms/7122/7735.aspx European Academy of Sciences and Arts http://www.euro-acad.eu/downloads/me...ct._2008.p df Network of African Science Academies National Academy of Science/National Research Council (US) http://dels.nas.edu/dels/rpt_briefs/...2008_final.pdf International Council for Science European Science Foundation http://www.esf.org/activities/esf-co...=311&year=2009 American Association for the Advancement of Science http://www.aaas.org/news/press_room/..._statement.pdf Federation of American Scientists http://tinyurl.com/neaehf World Meteorological Organization American Meteorological Society http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/2009ge...statement.html Royal Meteorological Society (UK) http://www.rmets.org/weather/liverpool.php Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society http://tinyurl.com/kpsnbz Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences International Union for Quaternary Research American Quaternary Association http://www.agu.org/fora/eos/pdfs/2006EO360008.pdf Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics Max Planck Institute http://tinyurl.com/knuex6 European Geosciences Union Canadian Federation of Earth Sciences Geological Society of America http://www.geosociety.org/positions/pos10_climate.pdf The Royal Society http://royalsociety.org/downloaddoc.asp?id=1630 I'd be interested to see your list of professional scientific organizations who say human activities are *not* responsible for the warming of past few decades. bloody hell dan you're all over the guy like a dog in heat. who gives a stuff what the academic situation is. how do we move forward? 1. we are not going to stop living. 2. we are not going to stop using energy 3. we are not moving into caves nobody gives a stuff about the harbingers of doom and their silly global warming religion. how do we move forward from here? that's the bloody question. whats the next fuel that can be put into widespread use???? |
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Rutan on Global Warming
Dan, if you are as smart as you think you are, you would realize that the
two sides of this argument will never agree, and it does not matter what proof you claim to have. In result, you would just quit arguing, and move on to a different subject, without caring who gets the last word. The same thing could be said to the other people arguing with Dan. -- Jim in NC |
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Rutan on Global Warming
"Morgans" wrote: Dan, if you are as smart as you think you are, you would realize that the two sides of this argument will never agree, and it does not matter what proof you claim to have. In result, you would just quit arguing, and move on to a different subject, without caring who gets the last word. The same thing could be said to the other people arguing with Dan. -- Oh, you're right of course, Jim. I've been in enough of these arguments here and elswhere to know it's no longer an issue of facts with most people. But a respected guy like Rutan spouting nonsense in public on a subject he clearly does not understand is something I couldn't let pass without comment. I'll leave it with what I've posted so far; the others can claim victory if they like. Dan T182T at 4R4 |
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Rutan on Global Warming
"Dan Luke" wrote in message
... "Morgans" wrote: Dan, if you are as smart as you think you are, you would realize that the two sides of this argument will never agree, and it does not matter what proof you claim to have. In result, you would just quit arguing, and move on to a different subject, without caring who gets the last word. The same thing could be said to the other people arguing with Dan. -- Oh, you're right of course, Jim. I've been in enough of these arguments here and elswhere to know it's no longer an issue of facts with most people. But a respected guy like Rutan spouting nonsense in public on a subject he clearly does not understand is something I couldn't let pass without comment. I'll leave it with what I've posted so far; the others can claim victory if they like. Dan T182T at 4R4 There are plenty of good reasons to conserve, but global warming is not amoung them. Peter |
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Rutan on Global Warming
Dan Luke wrote:
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message news Dan Luke wrote: Just about everyone agrees the past few decades are warmer than previous. Not everyone agrees the cause is human. No, just every scientific professional organization in the world. Can you provide anything, ANYTHING, that supports that wild assertion? Here's the list, with some links illustrating the various bodies' positions: American Association of Petroleum Geologists http://dpa.aapg.org/gac/statements/climatechange.pdf American Geophysical Union http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/prrl/prrl0335.html American Astronomical Society http://aas.org/governance/resolutions.php#climate American Institute of Physics (2004) http://www.aip.org/gov/policy12.html American Physical Society http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_1.cfm American Chemical Society http://tinyurl.com/nepc8b American Statistical Association http://www.amstat.org/about/pressrel...matechange.pdf InterAcademy Council Joint Science Academies http://royalsociety.org/document.asp?tip=0&id=7821 International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences http://www.caets.org/cms/7122/7735.aspx European Academy of Sciences and Arts http://www.euro-acad.eu/downloads/me...ct._2008.p df Network of African Science Academies National Academy of Science/National Research Council (US) http://dels.nas.edu/dels/rpt_briefs/...2008_final.pdf International Council for Science European Science Foundation http://www.esf.org/activities/esf-co...=311&year=2009 American Association for the Advancement of Science http://www.aaas.org/news/press_room/..._statement.pdf Federation of American Scientists http://tinyurl.com/neaehf World Meteorological Organization American Meteorological Society http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/2009ge...statement.html Royal Meteorological Society (UK) http://www.rmets.org/weather/liverpool.php Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society http://tinyurl.com/kpsnbz Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences International Union for Quaternary Research American Quaternary Association http://www.agu.org/fora/eos/pdfs/2006EO360008.pdf Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics Max Planck Institute http://tinyurl.com/knuex6 European Geosciences Union Canadian Federation of Earth Sciences Geological Society of America http://www.geosociety.org/positions/pos10_climate.pdf The Royal Society http://royalsociety.org/downloaddoc.asp?id=1630 I'd be interested to see your list of professional scientific organizations who say human activities are *not* responsible for the warming of past few decades. I don't need a list of them. Your assertion was that EVERY scientific professional organization in the world agrees that humans are the cause for the past few decades being warmer than previous. If there exists just one professional organization that disputes that your wild assertion is proven false. The George C Marshall Institute is such an organization. |
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Rutan on Global Warming
On Aug 7, 5:05*pm, "Dan Luke" wrote:
Burt Rutan is climate genius, too! *He knows more than the scientists. Impressive! Rutan's pitch was that he was coming at the problem from the point of view of someone versed in data analysis. He studied the data, and decided that there was no trend to support the theory is warming, much less anthropogenic warming. The most telling chart was the one that showed global temperatures in comparison to solar output, in that the fit was about as near perfect as you can get with this sort of thing. |
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Rutan on Global Warming
"Dan Luke" wrote in message
... "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message news Dan Luke wrote: Just about everyone agrees the past few decades are warmer than previous. Not everyone agrees the cause is human. No, just every scientific professional organization in the world. Can you provide anything, ANYTHING, that supports that wild assertion? Here's the list, with some links illustrating the various bodies' positions: American Association of Petroleum Geologists http://dpa.aapg.org/gac/statements/climatechange.pdf American Geophysical Union http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/prrl/prrl0335.html American Astronomical Society http://aas.org/governance/resolutions.php#climate American Institute of Physics (2004) http://www.aip.org/gov/policy12.html American Physical Society http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_1.cfm American Chemical Society http://tinyurl.com/nepc8b American Statistical Association http://www.amstat.org/about/pressrel...matechange.pdf InterAcademy Council Joint Science Academies http://royalsociety.org/document.asp?tip=0&id=7821 International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences http://www.caets.org/cms/7122/7735.aspx European Academy of Sciences and Arts http://www.euro-acad.eu/downloads/me...ct._2008.p df Network of African Science Academies National Academy of Science/National Research Council (US) http://dels.nas.edu/dels/rpt_briefs/...2008_final.pdf International Council for Science European Science Foundation http://www.esf.org/activities/esf-co...=311&year=2009 American Association for the Advancement of Science http://www.aaas.org/news/press_room/..._statement.pdf Federation of American Scientists http://tinyurl.com/neaehf World Meteorological Organization American Meteorological Society http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/2009ge...statement.html Royal Meteorological Society (UK) http://www.rmets.org/weather/liverpool.php Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society http://tinyurl.com/kpsnbz Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences International Union for Quaternary Research American Quaternary Association http://www.agu.org/fora/eos/pdfs/2006EO360008.pdf Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics Max Planck Institute http://tinyurl.com/knuex6 European Geosciences Union Canadian Federation of Earth Sciences Geological Society of America http://www.geosociety.org/positions/pos10_climate.pdf The Royal Society http://royalsociety.org/downloaddoc.asp?id=1630 I'd be interested to see your list of professional scientific organizations who say human activities are *not* responsible for the warming of past few decades. -- Dan T182T at 4R4 I don't understand how you omitted The Union Of Concerned Scientists from a list in which they would have been such a perfect fit. Peter |
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Rutan on Global Warming
My small nitpicking point is that if the Earth wasn't doing whatever
the Earth did we'd be still in the Wurm Glaciation with most of Northern America and Europe under several hundred feet of ice. |
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