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  #21  
Old August 8th 09, 12:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dan Luke[_2_]
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wrote in message
news
Dan Luke wrote:

"Jim Logajan" wrote:

Rutan is in agreement with many climate scientists.

No, he isn't. Unless the definition of "many" equals 3 or 4.

Please provide cites.

A few climate scientists are included he

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...global_warming


McNicoll's claim was "many".

The Wiki link you provided hardly supports that claim, does it?


Try this:

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-t...keptics-2009-7


Not a single climate scientist in the bunch. Ian Plimer, once a respected
geologist, recently made a complete fool of himself by publishing _Heaven +
Earth_, a book so full of errors and falsehoods that it has made Plimer a
laughingstock.

http://bravenewclimate.files.wordpre.../plimer1a9.pdf

--
Dan

T182T at 4R4


  #22  
Old August 8th 09, 02:06 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dan Luke[_2_]
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
news
Dan Luke wrote:

Just about everyone agrees the past few decades are warmer than
previous. Not everyone agrees the cause is human.


No, just every scientific professional organization in the world.


Can you provide anything, ANYTHING, that supports that wild assertion?



Here's the list, with some links illustrating the various bodies' positions:

American Association of Petroleum Geologists
http://dpa.aapg.org/gac/statements/climatechange.pdf
American Geophysical Union http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/prrl/prrl0335.html
American Astronomical Society
http://aas.org/governance/resolutions.php#climate
American Institute of Physics (2004) http://www.aip.org/gov/policy12.html
American Physical Society http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_1.cfm
American Chemical Society http://tinyurl.com/nepc8b
American Statistical Association
http://www.amstat.org/about/pressrel...matechange.pdf
InterAcademy Council
Joint Science Academies http://royalsociety.org/document.asp?tip=0&id=7821
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
http://www.caets.org/cms/7122/7735.aspx
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
http://www.euro-acad.eu/downloads/me...ct._2008.p df
Network of African Science Academies
National Academy of Science/National Research Council (US)
http://dels.nas.edu/dels/rpt_briefs/...2008_final.pdf
International Council for Science
European Science Foundation
http://www.esf.org/activities/esf-co...=311&year=2009
American Association for the Advancement of Science
http://www.aaas.org/news/press_room/..._statement.pdf
Federation of American Scientists http://tinyurl.com/neaehf
World Meteorological Organization
American Meteorological Society
http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/2009ge...statement.html
Royal Meteorological Society (UK) http://www.rmets.org/weather/liverpool.php
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
http://tinyurl.com/kpsnbz
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
International Union for Quaternary Research
American Quaternary Association
http://www.agu.org/fora/eos/pdfs/2006EO360008.pdf
Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
Max Planck Institute http://tinyurl.com/knuex6
European Geosciences Union
Canadian Federation of Earth Sciences
Geological Society of America
http://www.geosociety.org/positions/pos10_climate.pdf
The Royal Society http://royalsociety.org/downloaddoc.asp?id=1630

I'd be interested to see your list of professional scientific organizations
who say human activities are *not* responsible for the warming of past few
decades.

--
Dan

T182T at 4R4


  #23  
Old August 8th 09, 02:39 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Stealth Pilot[_2_]
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On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 08:06:11 -0500, "Dan Luke"
wrote:


"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
news
Dan Luke wrote:

Just about everyone agrees the past few decades are warmer than
previous. Not everyone agrees the cause is human.

No, just every scientific professional organization in the world.


Can you provide anything, ANYTHING, that supports that wild assertion?



Here's the list, with some links illustrating the various bodies' positions:

American Association of Petroleum Geologists
http://dpa.aapg.org/gac/statements/climatechange.pdf
American Geophysical Union http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/prrl/prrl0335.html
American Astronomical Society
http://aas.org/governance/resolutions.php#climate
American Institute of Physics (2004) http://www.aip.org/gov/policy12.html
American Physical Society http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_1.cfm
American Chemical Society http://tinyurl.com/nepc8b
American Statistical Association
http://www.amstat.org/about/pressrel...matechange.pdf
InterAcademy Council
Joint Science Academies http://royalsociety.org/document.asp?tip=0&id=7821
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
http://www.caets.org/cms/7122/7735.aspx
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
http://www.euro-acad.eu/downloads/me...ct._2008.p df
Network of African Science Academies
National Academy of Science/National Research Council (US)
http://dels.nas.edu/dels/rpt_briefs/...2008_final.pdf
International Council for Science
European Science Foundation
http://www.esf.org/activities/esf-co...=311&year=2009
American Association for the Advancement of Science
http://www.aaas.org/news/press_room/..._statement.pdf
Federation of American Scientists http://tinyurl.com/neaehf
World Meteorological Organization
American Meteorological Society
http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/2009ge...statement.html
Royal Meteorological Society (UK) http://www.rmets.org/weather/liverpool.php
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
http://tinyurl.com/kpsnbz
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
International Union for Quaternary Research
American Quaternary Association
http://www.agu.org/fora/eos/pdfs/2006EO360008.pdf
Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
Max Planck Institute http://tinyurl.com/knuex6
European Geosciences Union
Canadian Federation of Earth Sciences
Geological Society of America
http://www.geosociety.org/positions/pos10_climate.pdf
The Royal Society http://royalsociety.org/downloaddoc.asp?id=1630

I'd be interested to see your list of professional scientific organizations
who say human activities are *not* responsible for the warming of past few
decades.


bloody hell dan you're all over the guy like a dog in heat.
who gives a stuff what the academic situation is.
how do we move forward?
1. we are not going to stop living.
2. we are not going to stop using energy
3. we are not moving into caves
nobody gives a stuff about the harbingers of doom and their silly
global warming religion.

how do we move forward from here?
that's the bloody question.

whats the next fuel that can be put into widespread use????
  #24  
Old August 8th 09, 02:49 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Morgans[_7_]
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Dan, if you are as smart as you think you are, you would realize that the
two sides of this argument will never agree, and it does not matter what
proof you claim to have. In result, you would just quit arguing, and move
on to a different subject, without caring who gets the last word.

The same thing could be said to the other people arguing with Dan.
--
Jim in NC

  #25  
Old August 8th 09, 03:08 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dan Luke[_2_]
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Default Rutan on Global Warming


"Morgans" wrote:

Dan, if you are as smart as you think you are, you would realize that the
two sides of this argument will never agree, and it does not matter what
proof you claim to have. In result, you would just quit arguing, and move
on to a different subject, without caring who gets the last word.

The same thing could be said to the other people arguing with Dan.
--


Oh, you're right of course, Jim. I've been in enough of these arguments
here and elswhere to know it's no longer an issue of facts with most people.

But a respected guy like Rutan spouting nonsense in public on a subject he
clearly does not understand is something I couldn't let pass without
comment.

I'll leave it with what I've posted so far; the others can claim victory if
they like.

Dan

T182T at 4R4


  #26  
Old August 8th 09, 04:00 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Peter Dohm
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Default Rutan on Global Warming

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...

"Morgans" wrote:

Dan, if you are as smart as you think you are, you would realize that the
two sides of this argument will never agree, and it does not matter what
proof you claim to have. In result, you would just quit arguing, and
move on to a different subject, without caring who gets the last word.

The same thing could be said to the other people arguing with Dan.
--


Oh, you're right of course, Jim. I've been in enough of these arguments
here and elswhere to know it's no longer an issue of facts with most
people.

But a respected guy like Rutan spouting nonsense in public on a subject he
clearly does not understand is something I couldn't let pass without
comment.

I'll leave it with what I've posted so far; the others can claim victory
if they like.

Dan

T182T at 4R4


There are plenty of good reasons to conserve, but global warming is not
amoung them.

Peter



  #27  
Old August 8th 09, 05:54 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Steven P. McNicoll[_2_]
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Dan Luke wrote:
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
news
Dan Luke wrote:

Just about everyone agrees the past few decades are warmer than
previous. Not everyone agrees the cause is human.

No, just every scientific professional organization in the world.


Can you provide anything, ANYTHING, that supports that wild
assertion?



Here's the list, with some links illustrating the various bodies'
positions:
American Association of Petroleum Geologists
http://dpa.aapg.org/gac/statements/climatechange.pdf
American Geophysical Union
http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/prrl/prrl0335.html American Astronomical
Society http://aas.org/governance/resolutions.php#climate
American Institute of Physics (2004) http://www.aip.org/gov/policy12.html
American Physical Society
http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_1.cfm American Chemical
Society http://tinyurl.com/nepc8b American Statistical Association
http://www.amstat.org/about/pressrel...matechange.pdf
InterAcademy Council
Joint Science Academies
http://royalsociety.org/document.asp?tip=0&id=7821 International
Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
http://www.caets.org/cms/7122/7735.aspx European Academy of Sciences and
Arts
http://www.euro-acad.eu/downloads/me...ct._2008.p df
Network of African Science Academies
National Academy of Science/National Research Council (US)
http://dels.nas.edu/dels/rpt_briefs/...2008_final.pdf
International Council for Science
European Science Foundation
http://www.esf.org/activities/esf-co...=311&year=2009
American Association for the Advancement of Science
http://www.aaas.org/news/press_room/..._statement.pdf
Federation of American Scientists http://tinyurl.com/neaehf
World Meteorological Organization
American Meteorological Society
http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/2009ge...statement.html
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
http://www.rmets.org/weather/liverpool.php Australian Meteorological
and Oceanographic Society http://tinyurl.com/kpsnbz
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
International Union for Quaternary Research
American Quaternary Association
http://www.agu.org/fora/eos/pdfs/2006EO360008.pdf
Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
Max Planck Institute http://tinyurl.com/knuex6
European Geosciences Union
Canadian Federation of Earth Sciences
Geological Society of America
http://www.geosociety.org/positions/pos10_climate.pdf
The Royal Society http://royalsociety.org/downloaddoc.asp?id=1630

I'd be interested to see your list of professional scientific
organizations who say human activities are *not* responsible for the
warming of past few decades.


I don't need a list of them. Your assertion was that EVERY scientific
professional organization in the world agrees that humans are the cause for
the past few decades being warmer than previous. If there exists just one
professional organization that disputes that your wild assertion is proven
false. The George C Marshall Institute is such an organization.


  #28  
Old August 8th 09, 08:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mike Granby
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On Aug 7, 5:05*pm, "Dan Luke" wrote:

Burt Rutan is climate genius, too! *He knows more
than the scientists. Impressive!


Rutan's pitch was that he was coming at the problem from the point of
view of someone versed in data analysis. He studied the data, and
decided that there was no trend to support the theory is warming, much
less anthropogenic warming. The most telling chart was the one that
showed global temperatures in comparison to solar output, in that the
fit was about as near perfect as you can get with this sort of thing.
  #29  
Old August 8th 09, 08:31 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Peter Dohm
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"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
news
Dan Luke wrote:

Just about everyone agrees the past few decades are warmer than
previous. Not everyone agrees the cause is human.

No, just every scientific professional organization in the world.


Can you provide anything, ANYTHING, that supports that wild assertion?



Here's the list, with some links illustrating the various bodies'
positions:

American Association of Petroleum Geologists
http://dpa.aapg.org/gac/statements/climatechange.pdf
American Geophysical Union http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/prrl/prrl0335.html
American Astronomical Society
http://aas.org/governance/resolutions.php#climate
American Institute of Physics (2004) http://www.aip.org/gov/policy12.html
American Physical Society http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_1.cfm
American Chemical Society http://tinyurl.com/nepc8b
American Statistical Association
http://www.amstat.org/about/pressrel...matechange.pdf
InterAcademy Council
Joint Science Academies http://royalsociety.org/document.asp?tip=0&id=7821
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological
Sciences http://www.caets.org/cms/7122/7735.aspx
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
http://www.euro-acad.eu/downloads/me...ct._2008.p df
Network of African Science Academies
National Academy of Science/National Research Council (US)
http://dels.nas.edu/dels/rpt_briefs/...2008_final.pdf
International Council for Science
European Science Foundation
http://www.esf.org/activities/esf-co...=311&year=2009
American Association for the Advancement of Science
http://www.aaas.org/news/press_room/..._statement.pdf
Federation of American Scientists http://tinyurl.com/neaehf
World Meteorological Organization
American Meteorological Society
http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/2009ge...statement.html
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
http://www.rmets.org/weather/liverpool.php
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
http://tinyurl.com/kpsnbz
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
International Union for Quaternary Research
American Quaternary Association
http://www.agu.org/fora/eos/pdfs/2006EO360008.pdf
Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
Max Planck Institute http://tinyurl.com/knuex6
European Geosciences Union
Canadian Federation of Earth Sciences
Geological Society of America
http://www.geosociety.org/positions/pos10_climate.pdf
The Royal Society http://royalsociety.org/downloaddoc.asp?id=1630

I'd be interested to see your list of professional scientific
organizations who say human activities are *not* responsible for the
warming of past few decades.

--
Dan

T182T at 4R4

I don't understand how you omitted The Union Of Concerned Scientists from a
list in which they would have been such a perfect fit.

Peter



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Old August 8th 09, 09:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
george
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My small nitpicking point is that if the Earth wasn't doing whatever
the Earth did we'd be still in the Wurm Glaciation with most of
Northern America and Europe under several hundred feet of ice.
 




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