See and avoid

Hi All,

Just wondering.
Why do light aircraft do not have turning indicators?
The see-and-avoid concept has its shortcomings, but I have sometimes more
problems with see-and-what-is-he/she-upto??????

Kees.

In a previous article, (Kees Mies) said:
Why do light aircraft do not have turning indicators?

They do. They're called wings. If they're level, the plane isn't
turning.


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Kees Mies wrote:

Why do light aircraft do not have turning indicators?

'Cause they don't need them.

The see-and-avoid concept has its shortcomings, but I have sometimes more
problems with see-and-what-is-he/she-upto??????

Just remember - left wing goes down, probably turning left. Right wing goes down,
probably turning right.

George Patterson
Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would
not yield to the tongue.

"Kees Mies" wrote in message
om...
Hi All,

Just wondering.
Why do light aircraft do not have turning indicators?
The see-and-avoid concept has its shortcomings, but I have sometimes more
problems with see-and-what-is-he/she-upto??????

Kees.


Do you mean like blinkers?

Gig "If you can read this you are too close" Giacona

Bill Denton wrote:

Everybody talking about "looking at the wings" needs to rethink their
advice.

You can see an entire airplane much farther away than you can distinguish
the wings.

And you're going to be able to see a turn signal blinker further away than you
can see the wings? Get real.

George Patterson
Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would
not yield to the tongue.

Everybody talking about "looking at the wings" needs to rethink their
advice.

You can see an entire airplane much farther away than you can distinguish
the wings.

The headings of both yours and the other aircraft affect your ability to
distinguish the wings.


"Kees Mies" wrote in message
om...
Hi All,

Just wondering.
Why do light aircraft do not have turning indicators?
The see-and-avoid concept has its shortcomings, but I have sometimes more
problems with see-and-what-is-he/she-upto??????

Kees.

In article ,
"Bill Denton" wrote:

Everybody talking about "looking at the wings" needs to rethink their
advice.

You can see an entire airplane much farther away than you can distinguish
the wings.

If he's so far away that you can't determine what he's doing it's likely
the other traffic isn't a factor...at least not at the speeds of most GA
aircraft.

Rely on relative motion. If the dot isn't moving relative to your
viewpoint, you're on a collision course.

--
Dale L. Falk

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html

"Dale" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Bill Denton" wrote:

Everybody talking about "looking at the wings" needs to rethink their
advice.

You can see an entire airplane much farther away than you can
distinguish
the wings.

If he's so far away that you can't determine what he's doing it's likely
the other traffic isn't a factor...at least not at the speeds of most GA
aircraft.

Rely on relative motion. If the dot isn't moving relative to your
viewpoint, you're on a collision course.


Not necessarily. The dot could be moving directly away from you.

On 18 Mar 2004 06:57:21 -0800, (Kees Mies) wrote:

Hi All,

Just wondering.
Why do light aircraft do not have turning indicators?
The see-and-avoid concept has its shortcomings, but I have sometimes more
problems with see-and-what-is-he/she-upto??????

Kees.


So when would I have to use my turn indicators.... When I am making a
5-10 degree correction or say more than a 30 degree turn? What if I
am doing a 360 steep turn or some other manuever?

I can see a whole new chapter in the regs now.


Scott

Reread my post; I wasn't discussing turn-signals. I was only discussing: You
can see an entire airplane much farther away than you can distinguish the
wings


"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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Bill Denton wrote:

Everybody talking about "looking at the wings" needs to rethink their
advice.

You can see an entire airplane much farther away than you can
distinguish
the wings.

And you're going to be able to see a turn signal blinker further away than
you
can see the wings? Get real.

George Patterson
Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that
would
not yield to the tongue.