A380 unveiling, 1/18/05, Live.

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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rk wrote:


Or even hourly charges for labor for time wasted sitting around an
airport.
That adds up rather quickly.


how many business travelers are hourly employees?

I'm hourly and I don't mind the delays at all. (Except when I'm going home.)

Bob Noel wrote:

In article ,
rk wrote:


Or even hourly charges for labor for time wasted sitting around an airport.
That adds up rather quickly.

how many business travelers are hourly employees?

Consultants often bill by the hour.

In article ,
S Viemeister wrote:

Or even hourly charges for labor for time wasted sitting around an
airport. That adds up rather quickly.

how many business travelers are hourly employees?

Consultants often bill by the hour.

sure. but that doesn't answer the question.

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"Dave" wrote in message
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Only about 10% of Americans have passports.

Try doubling that and you'll be accurate.

"nobody" wrote in message
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"Frank F. Matthews" wrote:
Actually I haven't seen many small aircraft and no empty flights in the
US for the past several years. The problems are a lack of revenue and
not a lack of passengers. Now finding passengers wanting to fly limited
routes so as to fly a 380 that may be a problem.

You don't get it.

How the hell do you know? Do you work in the airline industry? Nope. Do you
work for an aircraft manufacturer? Nope. Do you work for an aerospace trade
journal? Nope. You're a VAX (!!) programmer. Don't pretend to be an
authority on the airline business when you are clearly not.

He may not be an expert or in the industry, but I am, and his arguments are
pretty much spot on (with the odd caveat thrown in here and there)

Shawn

"Vo Gon" wrote in message
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"nobody" wrote in message
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"Frank F. Matthews" wrote:
Actually I haven't seen many small aircraft and no empty flights in the
US for the past several years. The problems are a lack of revenue and
not a lack of passengers. Now finding passengers wanting to fly limited
routes so as to fly a 380 that may be a problem.

You don't get it.

How the hell do you know? Do you work in the airline industry? Nope. Do
you work for an aircraft manufacturer? Nope. Do you work for an aerospace
trade journal? Nope. You're a VAX (!!) programmer. Don't pretend to be an
authority on the airline business when you are clearly not.

Dan,

How's that for logic?


Great thinking, could be coming straight from the Ministry of Truth and
Love.

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:17:41 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
wrote:



AJC wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:17:11 -0000, "Dave"
wrote:


A friend went to Alaska recently in a 747. He commented that they
could have put that many passengers in a commuter. OTOH when my wife
came back from New Zealand last year, every seat was full. The ones
in front of her had three air sick kids which made it a memorable 13
hours.

The one flight probably didn't pay for the taxi time, but the other
probably did quite well.


No surprise Singapore airlines is the launch customer and that the other
leading customers are all major flyers from Europe to the East. These
flights all tend to be full. I have yet to do a flight where the airplane
has not been chockablock full. They will fill the A380 however many seats
they put in then on these routes.
The major issue will be how quickly the airports will be able to process the
passengers. I would not be surprised to see some immigration duties carried
out on board the aircraft and with the satellite links now available, it is
entirely feasible to link to immigration databases etc. One immigration
officer could happily handle 600 passengers even allowing for the non
straight forward ones over an 10-12 hour period.
Now if an airline offered that service then they would get my business.


This is in contrast with flights from Europe to North America where there is
often empty seats. Last September coming back to London from Chicago the
United flight was half full



This is why so many Americans are so sceptical of the market for the
380. They mostly see small aircraft, empty flights, airlines in
financial problems. Go to airports in Europe, Asia and you see 744s
lined up, and as you say get on the flights and they are packed.
Traffic on the Europe-Asia-Aus/NZ routes is booming, within Europe
there is steady growth, while it is declining on the North Atlantic.
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Actually I haven't seen many small aircraft and no empty flights in the
US for the past several years.

Well I don't see dozens and dozens of US carriers' 747s lined up. Do
you?


not a lack of passengers. Now finding passengers wanting to fly limited
routes so as to fly a 380 that may be a problem.

In the US, yes. In Europe and Asia, certainly not.

--==++AJC++==--

"AJC" wrote in message
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Well I don't see dozens and dozens of US carriers' 747s lined up. Do
you?

Wonder how a bussines model according to which you run one 747 from the
dessert somewhere from let's say New York to LA once or twice daily the no
frill way (perhaps with a bussines class with a little bit more space and
one dry sandwich) at rock bottom price (ie with a margin similar to what
Ryan Air does) would work out? Wonder what that would do to the market?
Would you - provided you could fill the plane - be able to beat LCC's
carriers that are using 737's on price?

Nik

"ShawnD2112" wrote in message
k...
He may not be an expert or in the industry, but I am, and his arguments
are pretty much spot on (with the odd caveat thrown in here and there)

Great! Your opinions have some credibility then.

"Vo Gon" wrote in message
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"nobody" wrote in message
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"Frank F. Matthews" wrote:
Actually I haven't seen many small aircraft and no empty flights in the
US for the past several years. The problems are a lack of revenue and
not a lack of passengers. Now finding passengers wanting to fly
limited
routes so as to fly a 380 that may be a problem.

You don't get it.

How the hell do you know? Do you work in the airline industry? Nope. Do
you work for an aircraft manufacturer? Nope. Do you work for an aerospace
trade journal? Nope. You're a VAX (!!) programmer. Don't pretend to be an
authority on the airline business when you are clearly not.