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Tie Down Trouble
At some airfields, you get tiedowns in the grass that consist of some
kind of weight (such as a concrete block or tire filled with concrete) and a tiedown. Perhaps they aren't much use -- a plane apparently can still fly with one attached to the tail. In this month's 'Pilot' magazine (British) under Safety Matters: Tiedown attached ---------------- AS A BEECH C23 Sundowner took off from Aldergrove, ATC saw an object dangling from the tail. It was a car tyre filled witih concrete which has been used as a tie down. The pilot landed safely after a normal circuit. During the pre-flight inspection, the pilot had removed tie-down weights attached to the wings, but hadn't noticed the weight attached to the tail. I have to imagine the flight characteristics of a Sundowner with 50lbs of concrete hanging off the tail had to be 'squirrely'! -- Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid. Oolite-Linux: an Elite tribute: http://oolite-linux.berlios.de |
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Consecrated Bovine! I bet he didn't have much forward stick left huh?
Monk Dylan Smith wrote: At some airfields, you get tiedowns in the grass that consist of some kind of weight (such as a concrete block or tire filled with concrete) and a tiedown. Perhaps they aren't much use -- a plane apparently can still fly with one attached to the tail. In this month's 'Pilot' magazine (British) under Safety Matters: Tiedown attached ---------------- AS A BEECH C23 Sundowner took off from Aldergrove, ATC saw an object dangling from the tail. It was a car tyre filled witih concrete which has been used as a tie down. The pilot landed safely after a normal circuit. During the pre-flight inspection, the pilot had removed tie-down weights attached to the wings, but hadn't noticed the weight attached to the tail. I have to imagine the flight characteristics of a Sundowner with 50lbs of concrete hanging off the tail had to be 'squirrely'! -- Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid. Oolite-Linux: an Elite tribute: http://oolite-linux.berlios.de |
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On Tue, 16 May 2006 06:57:35 -0000, Dylan Smith
wrote: At some airfields, you get tiedowns in the grass that consist of some kind of weight (such as a concrete block or tire filled with concrete) and a tiedown. Perhaps they aren't much use -- a plane apparently can still fly with one attached to the tail. In this month's 'Pilot' magazine (British) under Safety Matters: Tiedown attached ---------------- AS A BEECH C23 Sundowner took off from Aldergrove, ATC saw an object dangling from the tail. It was a car tyre filled witih concrete which has been used as a tie down. The pilot landed safely after a normal circuit. During the pre-flight inspection, the pilot had removed tie-down weights attached to the wings, but hadn't noticed the weight attached to the tail. I have to imagine the flight characteristics of a Sundowner with 50lbs of concrete hanging off the tail had to be 'squirrely'! A local pilot once took off in a Cherokee 180, with the concrete filled tire still attached to one wing! He managed to land undamaged; and we painted a set of wings onto the tire. Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA) |
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Dylan Smith wrote
I have to imagine the flight characteristics of a Sundowner with 50lbs of concrete hanging off the tail had to be 'squirrely'! The one Sundowner in which I instructed two students was actually out of the forward CG limit with just myself and the student aboard. I insisted that we keep 40-50 lbs tied down in the baggage compartment, it made landings so much better. It wasn't long after the owner and his brother obtained their certificates that the weight came out and the nosegear and prop came off. That tiedown weight probably made it fly just about right. :-) Bob Moore |
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A bit different having 50 lb in the luggage compartment and 30 lb with an
8-foot moment arm. It would be really interesting to do a w&b with that tire (tyre) on the tail. -- Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways) "Bob Moore" wrote in message . 121... I insisted that we keep 40-50 lbs tied down in the baggage compartment, it made landings so much better. It wasn't long after the owner and his brother obtained their certificates that the weight came out and the nosegear and prop came off. That tiedown weight probably made it fly just about right. :-) Bob Moore |
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Dylan Smith wrote:
Tiedown attached ---------------- AS A BEECH C23 Sundowner took off from Aldergrove, ATC saw an object dangling from the tail. It was a car tyre filled witih concrete which has been used as a tie down. The pilot landed safely after a normal circuit. During the pre-flight inspection, the pilot had removed tie-down weights attached to the wings, but hadn't noticed the weight attached to the tail. I have to imagine the flight characteristics of a Sundowner with 50lbs of concrete hanging off the tail had to be 'squirrely'! I saw this on the Beech Aero Club site a while back. Any Sundowner owner will tell you that it's almost impossible to make her tail heavy. With myself (240) and my co-owner (180), we fly with 65 pounds in the baggage compartment, and still have a CG slightly forward of published limits, that comes into limits as we burn fuel. With a 480-500 lb front row, we fly with 135 pounds of ballast in the baggage compartment to balance. That tire may have helped! G |
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("Dylan Smith" wrote)
AS A BEECH C23 Sundowner took off from Aldergrove, ATC saw an object dangling from the tail. It was a car tyre filled witih concrete which has been used as a tie down. The pilot landed safely after a normal circuit. 4-point landing. Montblack |
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("Dylan Smith" wrote)
AS A BEECH C23 Sundowner took off from Aldergrove, ATC saw an object dangling from the tail. It was a car tyre filled witih concrete which has been used as a tie down. The pilot landed safely after a normal circuit. Interesting that Allen Lieberman hasn't replied to this yet. |
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On Wed, 17 May 2006 12:31:40 GMT, john smith wrote:
("Dylan Smith" wrote) AS A BEECH C23 Sundowner took off from Aldergrove, ATC saw an object dangling from the tail. It was a car tyre filled witih concrete which has been used as a tie down. The pilot landed safely after a normal circuit. Interesting that Allen Lieberman hasn't replied to this yet. Heck, if I wanted a fourth wheel, I would have stayed in my car :-) Allen |
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On Tue, 16 May 2006 14:29:57 GMT, B A R R Y wrote:
Any Sundowner owner will tell you that it's almost impossible to make her tail heavy. With myself (240) and my co-owner (180), we fly with 65 pounds in the baggage compartment, and still have a CG slightly forward of published limits, that comes into limits as we burn fuel. With a 480-500 lb front row, we fly with 135 pounds of ballast in the baggage compartment to balance. On my IFR checkride, I had to show my numbers for weight and balance. 470 pounds of meat in the front seats *required* 100 pounds in the baggage department with full tanks. I elected to put in 75 pounds (yes, I brought barbell weights) and account for fuel burn off to keep me in CG. Allen |
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