Su-30MKI Info

http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/info-su30mki.html

Please note photos of rear-firing missile and the statement about
"near-zero airspeed" at high AOA.

Rob

On 7 Jan 2004 22:18:56 -0800, (robert arndt) wrote:

http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/info-su30mki.html

Please note photos of rear-firing missile and the statement about
"near-zero airspeed" at high AOA.

Rob


ANY airplane can travel at "near zero airspeed". Do you know what a
torque-roll is? I think the thing that needs to be made CLEAR in this
and the zero airspeed thread is HOW the aircraft arrived at zero
airspeed. Was it tootleing along in level flight and then popped
it's nose up into a high AOA, slowing to a virtual standstill and
recovering? Or did it just stall out in a climb? Technically a
stopped aircraft in the air is a stopped aircraft. Also, while the
idea of a rearward firing missile is unusual it makes one wonder if
the Russians are so confident that they're going to be at the ****-end
of an air-to-air engagment that they need to develope a missile for
just that occassion.

robert arndt wrote:

http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/info-su30mki.html

Please note photos of rear-firing missile and the statement about
"near-zero airspeed" at high AOA.

Rob

to quote the site:

The Su-27 markedly enhanced the Soviet Air Force’s combat potential.
NATO immediately saw the difference. In the
previous years, the SR-71 reconnaissance aircraft often flew into Soviet
airspace over the Kola Peninsula to check
readiness of the Soviet Air Defense. The Su-27, with its high flight
performance and perfect multichannel avionics system,
sharply changed the situation, intercepting SR-71 aircraft in Soviet
airspace.

So, it was the SU-27 that caused the retirement of the SR-71?

Bob



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It says RWR FAIL on the left MFD of the rear cockpit, what kind of advertising
trick is that? Would you like to see this text appear while on the combat mission?

http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/pix/su30mkcockpit3_c.jpg



Qman

Scott Ferrin wrote in message . ..
On 7 Jan 2004 22:18:56 -0800, (robert arndt) wrote:

http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/info-su30mki.html

Please note photos of rear-firing missile and the statement about
"near-zero airspeed" at high AOA.

Rob


ANY airplane can travel at "near zero airspeed". Do you know what a
torque-roll is? I think the thing that needs to be made CLEAR in this
and the zero airspeed thread is HOW the aircraft arrived at zero
airspeed. Was it tootleing along in level flight and then popped
it's nose up into a high AOA, slowing to a virtual standstill and
recovering? Or did it just stall out in a climb? Technically a
stopped aircraft in the air is a stopped aircraft. Also, while the
idea of a rearward firing missile is unusual it makes one wonder if
the Russians are so confident that they're going to be at the ****-end
of an air-to-air engagment that they need to develope a missile for
just that occassion.

I would think a whole lot of mud movers (not just russians) would be
grateful for a rear shot capability... If you were flying, say the
Jaguar, a rear-shooting capability would make more sense than
conventional forward shooting ones.

BOB URZ wrote in message ...
robert arndt wrote:

http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/info-su30mki.html

Please note photos of rear-firing missile and the statement about
"near-zero airspeed" at high AOA.

Rob

to quote the site:

The Su-27 markedly enhanced the Soviet Air Force?s combat potential.
NATO immediately saw the difference. In the
previous years, the SR-71 reconnaissance aircraft often flew into Soviet
airspace over the Kola Peninsula to check
readiness of the Soviet Air Defense. The Su-27, with its high flight
performance and perfect multichannel avionics system,
sharply changed the situation, intercepting SR-71 aircraft in Soviet
airspace.

So, it was the SU-27 that caused the retirement of the SR-71?

Bob

Why not MiG31? although I have seen a couple of reports of
sucessful SR71 ambushes by several Su-27 over Kola Peninsula,
still it was job for MiG31 interceptors rather than for
airsuperiority fighters Su27.

Michael




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On 8 Jan 2004 10:09:08 -0800, (Tuollaf43) wrote:

Scott Ferrin wrote in message . ..
On 7 Jan 2004 22:18:56 -0800, (robert arndt) wrote:

http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/info-su30mki.html

Please note photos of rear-firing missile and the statement about
"near-zero airspeed" at high AOA.

Rob


ANY airplane can travel at "near zero airspeed". Do you know what a
torque-roll is? I think the thing that needs to be made CLEAR in this
and the zero airspeed thread is HOW the aircraft arrived at zero
airspeed. Was it tootleing along in level flight and then popped
it's nose up into a high AOA, slowing to a virtual standstill and
recovering? Or did it just stall out in a climb? Technically a
stopped aircraft in the air is a stopped aircraft. Also, while the
idea of a rearward firing missile is unusual it makes one wonder if
the Russians are so confident that they're going to be at the ****-end
of an air-to-air engagment that they need to develope a missile for
just that occassion.

I would think a whole lot of mud movers (not just russians) would be
grateful for a rear shot capability... If you were flying, say the
Jaguar, a rear-shooting capability would make more sense than
conventional forward shooting ones.


Same with the A-10 ;-)

Qman wrote:


It says RWR FAIL on the left MFD of the rear cockpit, what kind of advertising
trick is that? Would you like to see this text appear while on the combat mission?

http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/pix/su30mkcockpit3_c.jpg



Qman

Probably beats having it 'not' appear if indeed that was the case
wouldn't it?...it's likely only on here because the a/c isn't
powered up properly (maybe the a.c. power isn't applied or
somesuch?)
--

-Gord.

On 8 Jan 2004 12:10:26 -0800, (Michael
Petukhov) wrote:

BOB URZ wrote in message ...
robert arndt wrote:

http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/info-su30mki.html

Please note photos of rear-firing missile and the statement about
"near-zero airspeed" at high AOA.

Rob

to quote the site:

The Su-27 markedly enhanced the Soviet Air Force?s combat potential.
NATO immediately saw the difference. In the
previous years, the SR-71 reconnaissance aircraft often flew into Soviet
airspace over the Kola Peninsula to check
readiness of the Soviet Air Defense. The Su-27, with its high flight
performance and perfect multichannel avionics system,
sharply changed the situation, intercepting SR-71 aircraft in Soviet
airspace.

So, it was the SU-27 that caused the retirement of the SR-71?

Bob

Why not MiG31? although I have seen a couple of reports of
sucessful SR71 ambushes by several Su-27 over Kola Peninsula,
still it was job for MiG31 interceptors rather than for
airsuperiority fighters Su27.

Michael

He was kidding. The Flanker wouldn't have much of a prayer of
bringing down a Blackbird.

From: "Gord Beaman" )
Date: 1/8/2004 8:17 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Qman wrote:


It says RWR FAIL on the left MFD of the rear cockpit, what kind of
advertising
trick is that? Would you like to see this text appear while on the combat
mission?

http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/pix/su30mkcockpit3_c.jpg



Qman

Probably beats having it 'not' appear if indeed that was the case
wouldn't it?...it's likely only on here because the a/c isn't
powered up properly (maybe the a.c. power isn't applied or
somesuch?)
--

-Gord.

One would assume a Russian aircraft would have Russian Cyrillic lettering.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired