Two terrorists sentenced life in prison over 1999 apartment bombings

From: (Michael Petukhov)
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By the way none of them or those who killed or escaped are of Chechen
nationality. Although all of them wahabities trained in terrorist training
camps in Chechenya when our troops left that area in 1996. This good lesson we
learned very well. Nobody dispute that facts.
Michael

Why no death penalty for these guys? Should have been hung IMO.
Dave

(Dav1936531) wrote in message ...
From: (Michael Petukhov)
m

By the way none of them or those who killed or escaped are of Chechen
nationality. Although all of them wahabities trained in terrorist training
camps in Chechenya when our troops left that area in 1996. This good lesson we
learned very well. Nobody dispute that facts.
Michael

Why no death penalty for these guys? Should have been hung IMO.
Dave

Why? Because our goverment still pretends to be part of "big europe".
Nobody knows what is it. whatever it is even nobody wants them there.
And europeans would not like if the guys are executed. That would be too
uncivilized.

Michael

Why should not I willing to believe, simple reasonbale
and selfconsistent story well supported by facts.

Because you are unaware of the fact that prior to the explosion a government
vehicle was seen in the area. Additionally, a Chechnian captured in
Afghanistan has recently confessed to working *with* Russian government
officials and local Moscow police to plant the explosives. According to him,
the operation was initiated by Russian government officials. French author
Jean Baptiste is working on a book which he says provides transcripts from a US
Justice Department wire tap where the arrangement of delivery of explosives to
a Moscow garage are being discussed by a "high ranking" Russian official.
According to Baptiste; "how could such a great quantity of explosives be
smuggled into the capital of Russia without the knowledge of government
officials?"

Seems that Chechnian terrorists did help carry out the bombing, but were aided
by the Russian government who hoped such a horrible act would solidify public
opinion in support of Russian military involvement in Chechnya.







The above is all complete BS, made up entirely, but perhaps the slow witted
Russian apologist will get an understanding of how anyone can make up anything
and because you read it on the internet or in a book doesn't make it true.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

"BUFDRVR" wrote in message
...
Why should not I willing to believe, simple reasonbale
and selfconsistent story well supported by facts.

Because you are unaware of the fact that prior to the explosion a
government
vehicle was seen in the area. Additionally, a Chechnian captured in
Afghanistan has recently confessed to working *with* Russian government
officials and local Moscow police to plant the explosives. According to
him,
the operation was initiated by Russian government officials. French
author
Jean Baptiste is working on a book which he says provides transcripts from
a US
Justice Department wire tap where the arrangement of delivery of
explosives to
a Moscow garage are being discussed by a "high ranking" Russian official.
According to Baptiste; "how could such a great quantity of explosives be
smuggled into the capital of Russia without the knowledge of government
officials?"

Seems that Chechnian terrorists did help carry out the bombing, but were
aided
by the Russian government who hoped such a horrible act would solidify
public
opinion in support of Russian military involvement in Chechnya.







The above is all complete BS, made up entirely, but perhaps the slow
witted
Russian apologist will get an understanding of how anyone can make up
anything
and because you read it on the internet or in a book doesn't make it true.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it
harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

BUFDRVR,
There are websites spinning that very same line that it was a Russian inside
job. Just type in "fsb moscow apartment bombing" and you'll retrieve
webpages with details such as the following:

"Only days before, Russia's acting president, Vladimir Putin, had been
forced in an interview to dismiss mounting domestic and international
speculation that Russian security agents had been behind the deadly
explosions last fall in Moscow and in two other Russian cities that left
nearly 300 people dead and 500 injured.

"Delirious nonsense!" the Russian leader had declared with his trademark
firmness. "There are no people in the Russian secret services who would be
capable of such a crime against their own people."

And then all of a sudden in late March some of the culprits were identified.
Within days of the Putin interview FSB investigators announced six suspects
had been charged with the gruesome Moscow apartment bombings. They claimed
the hexagen explosive used in the blasts was produced in the Chechen city of
Urus-Martan, and a cache of the same type of explosive had been discovered
after the city fell to Russian troops."


"Zakharov's statement may reflect nervousness on the part of the
authorities, particularly the FSB, about Boris Berezovsky's claim that the
special services themselves organized the Moscow apartment building
bombings, along with the bombing of another apartment building in the
southern city of Volgodonsk, in order to spark a new war in Chechnya and
pave the way for Vladimir Putin's election as president. Berezovsky first
made this allegation last December, in the midst of legal proceedings to
have his TV-6 television channel liquidated--a process the tycoon claims was
part of a Kremlin-inspired political campaign against him. The tycoon
subsequently said that he would make documentary evidence proving his
allegations public by the end of February and that he was producing a film
about the bombings (see the Monitor, January 17, February 1). The FSB
initially dismissed Berezovsky's allegations as "complete madness" (see the
Monitor, December 17, 2001), but later responded in a more concrete fashion:
FSB Director Nikolai Patrushev said his agency had documentary evidence that
Berezovsky had financed Chechen "illegal armed formations and their leaders"
and would pass this information on to law enforcement agencies abroad (see
the Monitor, January 25). The Prosecutor General's Office then charged the
tycoon, who is already on Russia's wanted list for his alleged role in
embezzling funds from the state airline Aeroflot, with financing the Chechen
rebels beginning in 1997, when he was deputy secretary of the Kremlin's
Security Council. Berezovsky, for his part, claimed his transfer of funds to
the Chechen rebels was officially sanctioned and often involved freeing
hostages (see the Monitor, January 30)."

Michael, if you read this how does the following sit with you?

"The Kremlin tried to close one of the most perplexing and shady chapters in
its recent history yesterday with the sentencing of two men to life in a
maximum security jail for the 1999 bombings of apartment blocks that
provoked the second Chechen war.
Yusuf Krymshamkhalov and Adam Dekkushev were found guilty of terrorism,
murder, illegal possession of and trafficking in explosives, and other
crimes in relation to the bombings in Moscow and Volgodonsk, which killed
246 people.

Yet many Russians remain uncertain that the pair were the true perpetrators
of the massive blasts - horrific acts that the Kremlin blamed on Chechen
rebels, and that led to a second Kremlin-backed invasion of the war-torn
separatist republic.

Vladimir Putin's tough response to "terrorism" against ordinary, blameless
Russians won him the subsequent presidential election.

During the trial in Moscow, which was closed to the media until its closing
moments, the prosecution said that the pair had packed sugar sacks with
homemade explosive, and driven them to Volgodonsk and into the heart of
Moscow on the orders of Chechen rebels.

Two suspects remain at large, and six more have been killed fighting in
Chechnya.

Krymshamkhalov was also found guilty of attempted terrorism and bribing a
traffic police officer.

He said that the conviction was mainly based on "lies".

The controversy surrounding the blasts centres on the foreknowledge and
possible involvement of the Russian security service, the FSB.

A spokesman for the agency said the verdict "completely confirmed" the
evidence that had been collected against the pair. But some of the victims'
relatives remained unconvinced, and they released an open letter during the
trial raising a number of questions that they said remained unanswered.

The greatest controversy in connection with the explosions has been raised
by a former FSB agent, Alexander Litvinenko, who currently lives in Britain,
where he has political asylum.

He wrote a book in which he claimed that the FSB had tried to carry out an
almost identical apartment bombing in the town of Ryazan, east of Moscow, in
September 1999.

The circumstances of the Ryazan incident were nearly identical to the Moscow
and Volgodonsk bombings, and it raised many questions in the Russian media
at the time, leading many Russians to fear more sinister hands that those of
Krymshamkhalov and Dekkushev and their associates were at work.

Suspicion that the FSB was involved in the incident has been publicised with
the help of the former Kremlin kingmaker and tycoon Boris Berezovsky. The
intense personal enmity between him and President Putin, whose rise to power
was promoted by Mr Berezovsky's media empire, prompted him to seek and gain
political asylum in Britain. Mr Berezovsky's intense interest in the case
has therefore often resulted in the inexplicable facts it proffers being
dismissed as suspect: merely ammunition in a feud between factions of
Russia's elite.

Mr Berezovsky called the verdict a "show" and insisted that the FSB was
responsible for the explosions. The Kremlin has always dismissed the theory
as nonsense."



TJ

BUFDRVR,
There are websites spinning that very same line that it was a Russian inside
job.

ROFLMAO....and here I was, thinking that I had originated a plausible
conspiracy theory.

BTW TJ, can you send me that HUD mpeg again? By the time I got around to
wanting to show it to someone, AOL had removed it. Also I need your question
about the footage.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"