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Al-Sadr makes a move.
"William Black" wrote in message
... "Dann" wrote in message 0.81... On 21 Oct 2006, John Gilbert said the following in link.net. "tscottme" wrote in message ... That's funny Sept 11 happened when we were far more isolationist than we are likely ever to be in the future. It has taken 5 years of fighting in Iraq to achieve a similar body count as happened in a couple of hours on one Tuesday morning. Point of fact, the body count in Iraq is 600,000+ and rising. A fact based accounting puts the number between 50,000 & 100,000. A what? We're talking about a study by the John Hopkins School of Epidemeology published in a peer reviewed journal. Produce a similar academic study subjected to peer review that uses 'fact based accounting' please. -- William Black The Iraqi Health Ministry estimates 50,000 deaths in Iraq since March 20003 and the Brookings Institution estimates 60,000. Iraq Body Count estimates 44-49,000 reported deaths. The UN estimate of 19,000 deaths this year means it would take approximately 20 years to reach the the John Hopkins numbers at the current rate. In other words, multiple reputable sources find the Hopkins numbers to be innacurate. Jarg |
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"Jarg" wrote in message om... "William Black" wrote in message ... "Dann" wrote in message 0.81... On 21 Oct 2006, John Gilbert said the following in link.net. "tscottme" wrote in message ... That's funny Sept 11 happened when we were far more isolationist than we are likely ever to be in the future. It has taken 5 years of fighting in Iraq to achieve a similar body count as happened in a couple of hours on one Tuesday morning. Point of fact, the body count in Iraq is 600,000+ and rising. A fact based accounting puts the number between 50,000 & 100,000. A what? We're talking about a study by the John Hopkins School of Epidemeology published in a peer reviewed journal. Produce a similar academic study subjected to peer review that uses 'fact based accounting' please. -- William Black The Iraqi Health Ministry estimates 50,000 deaths in Iraq since March 20003 and the Brookings Institution estimates 60,000. Iraq Body Count estimates 44-49,000 reported deaths. The UN estimate of 19,000 deaths this year means it would take approximately 20 years to reach the the John Hopkins numbers at the current rate. In other words, multiple reputable sources find the Hopkins numbers to be innacurate. Engl;ish not your first language or something? "Produce a similar academic study subjected to peer review that uses 'fact based accounting' please." Propaganda pieces produced by some US puppet doesn't count. The UN can't even tell you how many New York parking tickets they didn't pay this year, never mind how many dead... With a total population of twenty seven million and a pre war deathrate of over five per thousand a year any rate that is less than a hundred and fifty thousand a year is telling lies -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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William Black wrote:
"Dann" wrote in message 0.81... On 21 Oct 2006, John Gilbert said the following in thlink.net. "tscottme" wrote in message ... That's funny Sept 11 happened when we were far more isolationist than we are likely ever to be in the future. It has taken 5 years of fighting in Iraq to achieve a similar body count as happened in a couple of hours on one Tuesday morning. Point of fact, the body count in Iraq is 600,000+ and rising. A fact based accounting puts the number between 50,000 & 100,000. A what? We're talking about a study by the John Hopkins School of Epidemeology published in a peer reviewed journal. Produce a similar academic study subjected to peer review that uses 'fact based accounting' please. His mind is made up. Don't be confusin' him with the facts. Cheers ==bob |
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tscottme wrote:
"Raptor" wrote in message It's an insurgency. You don't win by killing the enemy. You win by cutting off their reinforcements. -- That's why I envoked the General Sherman reference. The American Civil War wasn't won because the Union killed all the Southern soldiers. Sherman waged war on the plantation owners and war-making abilility of the South. The Salafists and the Twelvers will fight until the last future cab driver is dead in the street. They won't fight 1 month after their butt is set ablaze. The Civil War wasn't an insurgency. The Iraqi insurgency isn't "winning" by blowing up our tanks or shooting down our aircraft. Their weapons are small arms, IEDs and RPGs. No amount of destroying their "warmaking ability" will stop such attacks. They're winning by picking off our soldiers in ones and twos, and by fighting each other with small arms. By committing violence of any significant kind, they show that we have not achieved our objective and thereby win. You win an insurgency by winning the hearts & minds of the people who might otherwise become insurgents. Most of the violence in Iraq now occurs because no one is keeping the streets safe. Keep the streets safe, and the violence ends quickly, except for those determined to die. Most Iraqis are not determined to die. We can deal with the dead-enders if we choose to. The alternative is nuking the whole place. -- Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall If FDR fought fascism the way Bush fights terrorism, we'd all be speaking German now. |
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Bob Matthews wrote:
William Black wrote: We're talking about a study by the John Hopkins School of Epidemeology published in a peer reviewed journal. Produce a similar academic study subjected to peer review that uses 'fact based accounting' please. His mind is made up. Don't be confusin' him with the facts. There are no facts, just estimates. The 600K number comes from well-accepted methodology. -- Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall If FDR fought fascism the way Bush fights terrorism, we'd all be speaking German now. |
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"tscottme" writes:
That's funny Sept 11 happened when we were far more isolationist than we are likely ever to be in the future. It has taken 5 years of fighting in Iraq Isolationist doesn't mean what you imply. Of course, I am never wrong :-) If the US didn't pursue foreign trade and engage in all the necessary practices associated with getting contracts and deals, then isolationasm would make sense. You can't go and engage the world in trade (and mostly win) without making enemies in many places, and then say "oh well, we won't think about any military strategies because we want to practice military isolationism". The best compromise is to beat our enemy like a rapid dog and then withdraw. Oh, we are in a good mood today! Isn't that what everybody says before the fight bogs down? -- Gernot Hassenpflug ) Tel: +81 774 38-3866 JSPS Fellow (Rm.403, RISH, Kyoto Uni.) Fax: +81 774 31-8463 http://www.rish.kyoto-u.ac.jp/radar-...members/gernot Mob: +81 90 39493924 |
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Raptor wrote:
There are no facts, just estimates. The 600K number comes from well-accepted methodology. Then you should read a little on the subject of methodology, in general, and that study, in particular. 47 data clusters... |
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forssberg wrote:
Raptor wrote: There are no facts, just estimates. The 600K number comes from well-accepted methodology. Then you should read a little on the subject of methodology, in general, and that study, in particular. 47 data clusters... The methodology is well-accepted. We use it to assess the impact of epidemics or genocides, and base policy on the resultant numbers. -- Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall If FDR fought fascism the way Bush fights terrorism, we'd all be speaking German now. |
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Raptor wrote:
forssberg wrote: Raptor wrote: There are no facts, just estimates. The 600K number comes from well-accepted methodology. Then you should read a little on the subject of methodology, in general, and that study, in particular. 47 data clusters... The methodology is well-accepted. We use it to assess the impact of epidemics or genocides, and base policy on the resultant numbers. The doctors are asking for too much money then. Andrew Swallow |
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Raptor wrote:
The methodology is well-accepted. We use it to assess the impact of epidemics or genocides, and base policy on the resultant numbers. From your purely theoretical answer I deduce that you're not aware of the debate on the abnormally low number of cluster samples used in the Lancet study. Other methodological critiques have also been moved by credible people. |
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