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Plane Accidentally Starts Moving With 6-Year-Old Inside
"vaughn" wrote in message ... | | "Anyolmouse" wrote in message | ... | | Back in the mid 70's I witnessed brake failure on a Luscombe during | rollout of a landing. The airplane ground looped and went into a fence. | The FAA inspector classified it as an incident. He said that incidents | did not result in injuries requiring hospital treatment. Accidents did | require hospital treatment. I don't know if that was his own policy or | the FAA's at the time. | | See FARs Part 830.2 (definitions) | | Vaughn I did so. Thanks- -- Anyolmouse |
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Plane Accidentally Starts Moving With 6-Year-Old Inside
"vaughn" wrote in message
... "BT" wrote in message ... Is it an accident that you did not do as instructed? Or is it negligence. The two are not mutually exclusive, so your answer is "both". We are all capable of doing dumb things. (though some of us may be more capable than others) Vaughn True, although the point that has been missed in this discussion, on at least two newsgroups, is the maintenance issue--especially with respect to the breaker points in the magnetos. When the breaker points, a/k/a e-gap, are not correctly set, there will usually be insufficient spark to easily start the engine be hand propping. When that problem occurs, it is discuoragingly common to experiment a little in an effort to get the engine started. Also, most people are unaware of how much thrust the engine can develop--the old rule of thumb is about one fifth of the certificated gross weight of the aircraft and most production aircraft with fixed pitch props come very close to that number. That means many of the tie down ropes and anchors, especially the temporary varieties, are little more trustworthy than chocks for the purpose. I have heard a couple of very amusing old stories in which the aircarft supposedly flew after "getting loose" when hand propped. In both of the most entertaining cases, the aircraft eventually landed safety. In one case, the pilot hand propped an Ercoupe and the pilots wife, who was a frequent passenger but not a pilot, was in the aircraft and "stepped up" as a pinch hitter--successfully landing rather firmly but without damage after a couple of missed approaches. In the other case, the pilot's young son, aged around 6 years, was in the aircraft and sinply waited untill the aircraft landed itself due to fuel exhaustion--although I personally susspect that the kid may have also "stepped up" and influenced the landing site to favaor an especially flat and open area. In both cases, the throttles had supposedly been advanced to facilitate a difficult start, and the engines supposedly commenced to operate at about 1800 RPM. Therefore, IMHO, proper maintenance of magnetos would be at least as effective a solution as any other! Peter A SAFE, HEALTHY, AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR TO ALL !!!! |
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Plane Accidentally Starts Moving With 6-Year-Old Inside
On Dec 31, 3:01*pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
Am I dreaming? In the US you are. That is a Canadian rule. I can't ever remember having a licensed pilot when I was hand proping. In truth its only scarry to those that haven't done it. In fact you have to stop yourself every once-in-a-while because it becomes so common its easy to let your guard down. If I had to have another pilot around that would have killed 90% of my flights. Canadian rule does not require a competent person at the controls if the airplane is prevented from moving. Here's the reg: Starting and Ground Running of Aircraft Engines 602.10 (1) No person shall start an engine of an aircraft unless (a) a pilot's seat is occupied by a person who is competent to control the aircraft; (b) precautions have been taken to prevent the aircraft from moving; or (c) in the case of a seaplane, the aircraft is in a location from which any movement of the aircraft will not endanger persons or property. In my case, I have a really strong parking brake. And if I have to use more than fully-closed throttle, I tie the tail down. Dan |
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Plane Accidentally Starts Moving With 6-Year-Old Inside
B A R R Y wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote: One thing that "electric" pilots do not realize is that its very, very hard to guess how much power the engine will develop when it first starts. Sometimes it will just be idling, other times it will start with a big roar. I seem to remember a rule about a licensed pilot at the controls when hand propping. Am I dreaming? Except when you fly to an unattended airport, fuel up (U-Fuel Self Service) with your credit card, find there isn't a soul there except you and you still have 300 miles to go to your destination. |
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Plane Accidentally Starts Moving With 6-Year-Old Inside
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:40:12 -0800 (PST), Monk wrote:
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Plane Accidentally Starts Moving With 6-Year-Old Inside
On Dec 30 2008, 12:48*am, "BT" wrote:
And for Monk.. why do people have to keep positing things that are in the news, on the news services, on the electronic emails such as AvWeb or ePilot. BT And for BT... why do people have to keep asking questions and not use a question mark? g Monk |
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