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Old September 25th 04, 02:53 AM
Dav1936531
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From: "Bob Coe"
Date: 9/24/04 9:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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"Dav1936531" wrote
If the US had dealt in a merciless and brutal fashion with the Fallujah

insurgency, the remainder of anyone leaning towards insurgency wouldn't be
quite so ready to leap out into the street to create problems.

Which is pretty much how Saddam controlled things. Maybe he wasn't
so bad after all? Maybe the people he killed deserved to die?

The U.S. has probably killed more Iraqis than Saddam ever did. The
streets of Najaf were running with Shiite blood. Something never seen
after the Kuwait war.


Exactly my point. If the US had put down the rebellion in Fallujah, Moqutada
Sadr never would have hijacked Najaf.

Monkey see...monkey do.

Moqutada Sadr came to the conclusion that the US would deal with him weakly,
and as a result, more Iraqis have been killed then if he had gotten the message
early on that any insurgency from his group would be ruthlessly crushed. He
wouldn't have dared to hijack Najaf had he gotten that message.

Instead, sending weak signals is allowing a creeping lawlessness to set in.
Anarchy could be the end result of these improper signals. If complete anarchy
is allowed to break out, the Iraqi dead will number in the hundreds of
thousands. The car bombings, etc. have already killed 700-1000 (not sure of the
numbers) police and Iraqi National Guard recruits.

Much better (and fewer dead) to send strong signals up front that a new social
order is being created, and that that social order is to be respected. Had we
smoked the insurgency in Fallujah, I think our problems pacifying the current
insurgency would be much fewer.

It's all Monday morning quarterbacking now though.
Dave
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Old September 25th 04, 03:00 AM
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"Bob Coe" wrote in message
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"Dav1936531" wrote

If the US had dealt in a merciless and brutal fashion with the Fallujah
insurgency, the remainder of anyone leaning towards insurgency wouldn't
be
quite so ready to leap out into the street to create problems.


Which is pretty much how Saddam controlled things. Maybe he wasn't
so bad after all? Maybe the people he killed deserved to die?

The U.S. has probably killed more Iraqis than Saddam ever did.




This last sentence pretty much destroys your credibility.


The
streets of Najaf were running with Shiite blood. Something never seen
after the Kuwait war.



You really don't know what you are talking about.

Jarg


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Old September 25th 04, 03:38 AM
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In article %[email protected], "Bob Coe"
wrote:

The U.S. has probably killed more Iraqis than Saddam ever did.


Not even close. The low counts for Saddam run around 300K dead.

The streets of Najaf were running with Shiite blood. Something never seen
after the Kuwait war.


You sort of missed out on the post-GW1 fighting in both north and south,
not to mention Kurds being gassed. I suppose that would result in less
blood.
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Old September 25th 04, 03:42 AM
Bob Coe
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"Jarg" wrote
"Bob Coe" wrote
"Dav1936531" wrote

If the US had dealt in a merciless and brutal fashion with the Fallujah
insurgency, the remainder of anyone leaning towards insurgency wouldn't be
quite so ready to leap out into the street to create problems.


Which is pretty much how Saddam controlled things. Maybe he wasn't
so bad after all? Maybe the people he killed deserved to die?

The U.S. has probably killed more Iraqis than Saddam ever did.


This last sentence pretty much destroys your credibility.


Why is that?

The
streets of Najaf were running with Shiite blood. Something never seen
after the Kuwait war.


You really don't know what you are talking about.

Jarg


What is the official Shiite casualties?

The number given by the U.S. Army is Unknown, but several thousand
wounded, and several hundred dead (300 - 600 probable killed).


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Old September 25th 04, 03:52 AM
Bob Coe
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"Steve Hix" wrote
"Bob Coe" wrote:

The U.S. has probably killed more Iraqis than Saddam ever did.


Not even close. The low counts for Saddam run around 300K dead.


Hell, the UN oil for food, killed at least that many.

Right now, the suicide rate in Baghdad is over 1000 a month.


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Old September 25th 04, 04:09 AM
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Bob Coe wrote:

Right now, the suicide rate in Baghdad is over 1000 a month.



You've got a source for this claim I imagine?


BUFDRVR

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everyone on Bear Creek"
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Old September 25th 04, 04:48 AM
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"Bob Coe" wrote in message
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"Dav1936531" wrote

If the US had dealt in a merciless and brutal fashion with the Fallujah
insurgency, the remainder of anyone leaning towards insurgency wouldn't
be
quite so ready to leap out into the street to create problems.


Which is pretty much how Saddam controlled things. Maybe he wasn't
so bad after all?


Yes, he was.

Maybe the people he killed deserved to die?


You can't really think that.


The U.S. has probably killed more Iraqis than Saddam ever did.


Very doubtful.

The
streets of Najaf were running with Shiite blood. Something never seen
after the Kuwait war.


Uhhmm...not to rain on your rant, but again, what is the SOURCE for these
alleged comments by the CMC? A Google of news reports for "Hagee Fallujah"
does not turn up any reference to the comments you quoted and claimed were
his. So...where's the beef?

Brooks




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Old September 25th 04, 04:52 AM
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"Bob Coe" wrote in message
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"Jarg" wrote
"Bob Coe" wrote
"Dav1936531" wrote

If the US had dealt in a merciless and brutal fashion with the Fallujah
insurgency, the remainder of anyone leaning towards insurgency wouldn't
be
quite so ready to leap out into the street to create problems.

Which is pretty much how Saddam controlled things. Maybe he wasn't
so bad after all? Maybe the people he killed deserved to die?

The U.S. has probably killed more Iraqis than Saddam ever did.


This last sentence pretty much destroys your credibility.


Why is that?


Because you obviously are not in touch with reality if you think that is the
case.


The
streets of Najaf were running with Shiite blood. Something never seen
after the Kuwait war.


You really don't know what you are talking about.

Jarg


What is the official Shiite casualties?

The number given by the U.S. Army is Unknown, but several thousand
wounded, and several hundred dead (300 - 600 probable killed).


Do you know how many tens of *thousands* they believe are buried in Saddam's
mass graves? Ever see the reports of the remains disentered by the Kurds
alone after just *one* of the mass grave areas in their region was
liberated?

Now, what is the source for your alleged quote from the CMC?

Brooks




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Old September 25th 04, 04:53 AM
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"BUFDRVR" wrote in message
...
Bob Coe wrote:

Right now, the suicide rate in Baghdad is over 1000 a month.



You've got a source for this claim I imagine?


Hell, he won't even come clean with a source for the rather odd alleged
quotes he started this thread with.

Brooks



BUFDRVR

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harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"



 




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