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Old April 5th 04, 11:44 PM
Allen Thomson
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Ed Rasimus wrote:

"George Z. Bush" wrote:


Just as a WAG, I think it's probably safe to say that whatever
its origins, they are more than likely NOT American.


I thought that initially as well,


BTW, just out of curiosity, honest question, what is there
about the patch that calls into doubt its American provenance?

(I have no idea where the thing came from, but can't see
anything that looks particularly non-USian.)
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Old April 6th 04, 03:40 AM
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"Allen Thomson" wrote in message
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Ed Rasimus wrote:

"George Z. Bush" wrote:


Just as a WAG, I think it's probably safe to say that whatever
its origins, they are more than likely NOT American.


I thought that initially as well,


BTW, just out of curiosity, honest question, what is there
about the patch that calls into doubt its American provenance?


The three faces bear an amazing resemblence to Hitler?


(I have no idea where the thing came from, but can't see
anything that looks particularly non-USian.)



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Old April 6th 04, 10:42 AM
George
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Mary Shafer wrote in message . ..
On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 10:58:55 -0600, Ed Rasimus
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I thought that initially as well, but the US map shows a star at about
the location of Davis-Monthan. I'm betting, since the only part of the
Latin I can decipher has something to do with a lot of nights, that
it's either a special ops patch or maybe a strategic recce patch, as
in U-2.


How about Holloman, not Davis-Monthan? There are F-117s at Holloman.

Mary


There's Air Force Spec Ops at Davis Monthan.
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Old April 6th 04, 01:03 PM
George Z. Bush
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"Allen Thomson" wrote in message
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Ed Rasimus wrote:

"George Z. Bush" wrote:


Just as a WAG, I think it's probably safe to say that whatever
its origins, they are more than likely NOT American.


I thought that initially as well,


BTW, just out of curiosity, honest question, what is there
about the patch that calls into doubt its American provenance?


Let's turn the thing around. What is there about the patch that establishes its
American provenance? Whatever the language in use is, it doesn't even appear to
be English! Under those circumstances, why not doubt its origins?

Of course, I could be wrong, but that's what does it for me.

George Z.

(I have no idea where the thing came from, but can't see
anything that looks particularly non-USian.)



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Old April 6th 04, 02:07 PM
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George wrote:
Mary Shafer wrote in message . ..

How about Holloman, not Davis-Monthan? There are F-117s at Holloman.

Mary



There's Air Force Spec Ops at Davis Monthan.


Well, there are the rescue squadrons here, but I don't recall ever
seeing that patch here. On another note, Air Force unit patches
are typically (almost universally, as far as I have seen) round,
rather than triangular. The AZ National Guard units have a non-round
patch, but that is in the shape of the State of Arizona.

Mike Williamson
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Old April 6th 04, 02:32 PM
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"Allen Thomson" a écrit dans le message de
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Anybody know what this is or was?

http://www.darkstar.ukonline.co.uk/patch2.jpg



You might try this impressive site : http://www.usafpatches.com, but you'd
better brew a gallon of coffee first as there are literally thousands of
patches (some of them, expecially the "morale" ones, are gems). The guy's
"want list" is still pretty long though, so maybe you should also ask him.

ArVa


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Old April 6th 04, 02:46 PM
Iain Rae
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George Z. Bush wrote:
"Allen Thomson" wrote in message
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Ed Rasimus wrote:


"George Z. Bush" wrote:


Just as a WAG, I think it's probably safe to say that whatever
its origins, they are more than likely NOT American.


I thought that initially as well,


BTW, just out of curiosity, honest question, what is there
about the patch that calls into doubt its American provenance?



Let's turn the thing around. What is there about the patch that establishes its
American provenance?


The map is centred on North/Central america so it's not likely to be
European, African or Asian. There also looks to be a star on the map
which my (albeit limited) geography would place in the US.

Whatever the language in use is, it doesn't even appear to
be English!


You'd be betting on Latin America then ?

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Old April 6th 04, 03:59 PM
Dweezil Dwarftosser
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"George Z. Bush" wrote:

"Allen Thomson" wrote:


BTW, just out of curiosity, honest question, what is there
about the patch that calls into doubt its American provenance?


Let's turn the thing around. What is there about the patch that
establishes its American provenance? Whatever the language in use
is, it doesn't even appear to be English! Under those
circumstances, why not doubt its origins?


I've never been in a USAF wing with an emblem that didn't
display the wing motto in Latin. I've seen one or two
historical unit patches that had the motto in French
- but these units likely had originated there in WW I.
....NEVER in English.

Of course, I could be wrong, but that's what does it for me.

George Z.

(I have no idea where the thing came from, but can't see
anything that looks particularly non-USian.)

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Old April 6th 04, 04:14 PM
John Hairell
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On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 08:03:08 -0400, "George Z. Bush"
wrote:


"Allen Thomson" wrote in message
. com...
Ed Rasimus wrote:

"George Z. Bush" wrote:


Just as a WAG, I think it's probably safe to say that whatever
its origins, they are more than likely NOT American.


I thought that initially as well,


BTW, just out of curiosity, honest question, what is there
about the patch that calls into doubt its American provenance?


Let's turn the thing around. What is there about the patch that establishes its
American provenance? Whatever the language in use is, it doesn't even appear to
be English! Under those circumstances, why not doubt its origins?

Of course, I could be wrong, but that's what does it for me.


The patch appears to be "merrowed" i.e. it has a stitched edging,
which is more common to U.S.-made patches than cheaper Asian-made
patches. That and its North American connotations hint that it MAY
have been produced in the U.S. The design may also be
computer-generated and stitched, which makes it more likely to have
been produced in the U.S. or Europe. The language has nothing to do
with it - U.S. military unit mottos that I've seen have included
Latin, Greek, French, English, Hawaiian, and even Russian, and that's
just the official mottos.

John Hairell
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Old April 6th 04, 04:50 PM
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"Dweezil Dwarftosser" wrote in message
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I've never been in a USAF wing with an emblem that didn't
display the wing motto in Latin. I've seen one or two
historical unit patches that had the motto in French
- but these units likely had originated there in WW I.
...NEVER in English.

Perhaps you haven't been in one but they exist. I've been in two at least,
44SMW motto was "Aggressor Beware" and I was in the 355th in the random
sampling below.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/afhra/wwwroo...ges/0355wg.php

http://www.au.af.mil/au/afhra/wwwroo...ges/0004wg.php

http://www.au.af.mil/au/afhra/wwwroo...es/0036abw.php

http://www.au.af.mil/au/afhra/wwwroo...ges/0045sw.php

http://www.au.af.mil/au/afhra/wwwroo...ges/0052fw.php

http://www.au.af.mil/au/afhra/wwwroo...ges/0051fw.php

http://www.au.af.mil/au/afhra/wwwroo...ges/0056fw.php

Regards,

Tex Houston


 




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