son of sam crash

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Hopefully he arrange stuff with his attorneys before hand and has his
assests locked up in trusts for his kids. The liberals of the world get
sick when they see someone successful and will want to try to play
Robin Hood.

Uh, right. I'm sure such estate-tax supporters as Warren Buffett, George
Soros, David Rockefeller Jr., and Bill Gates Sr. "get sick when they see
someone successful".

It's astonishing what bizarre stereotypes some people can convince
themselves are true (assuming you even care if what you say is true).

Buffett, in particular, praised "'the critical role' that he said the
estate
tax played in promoting economic growth, by helping create a society in
which success is based on merit rather than inheritance" (NY Times
interview, Feb. 14, 2001). "Mr. Buffett said repealing the estate tax
'would
be a terrible mistake,' the equivalent of 'choosing the 2020 Olympic team
by picking the eldest sons of the gold-medal winners in the 2000
Olympics.'"

--Gary

And why should the country be run according to dear old Warren? Far a I
know he gets one vote same as the rest of us. You shot most of your
credibility by including Soros as supporting evidence

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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And why should the country be run according to dear old Warren? Far a I
know he gets one vote same as the rest of us. You shot most of your
credibility by including Soros as supporting evidence

Sorry, you're not following the structure of the discussion. I didn't cite
Buffett's view or Soros's as "supporting evidence" that the estate tax is
correct. I just cited their views (and the similar views of many other
multi-millionaires, billionaires, and multi-billionaires) to demonstrate the
absurdity of Robert's contention that the liberal estate-tax advocates "get
sick when they see someone successful". If Robert wanted to have a
good-faith, civil discussion of the issue, he would have to go to the
trouble of informing himself about the actual arguments and motivations of
the people he disagrees with, instead of trying to caricature them with
baseless insults.

--Gary

Robert M. Gary wrote:
The liberals of the world get
sick when they see someone successful and will want to try to play
Robin Hood.


I'm sorry, but this statement is crap. Not everyone defines "success"
the same way (i.e. the accumulation of great wealth), but even if you
accept that definition most people I know would applaud the guy's
success - to the extent that he earned it.

The question I would ask, though, is what have his heirs done (other
than have better luck choosing their family) that would justify calling
them "successful"?

Gary Drescher wrote:

If Robert wanted to have a
good-faith, civil discussion of the issue, he would have to go to the
trouble of informing himself about the actual arguments and motivations of
the people he disagrees with, instead of trying to caricature them with
baseless insults.


Bravo!

I for one am getting very sick and tired of people on both sides of
the political spectrum lumping everyone that disagrees with them into
a single camp so that they can derisivly dismiss them as "just another
batch of xxxx". If you want to disagree about a policy or a philosophy,
do so based on the merits/demerits of that philosophy. Don't, however,
try to define the opposition's platform because you will be wrong.

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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Buffett, in particular, praised "'the critical role' that he said the
estate
tax played in promoting economic growth,

Buffet is a good investor but a hore**** economist.

by helping create a society in
which success is based on merit rather than inheritance"

So replace it with a society of parsites. Yeah, like socialism was so
successful at creating economic growth!


(NY Times
interview, Feb. 14, 2001). "Mr. Buffett said repealing the estate tax
'would
be a terrible mistake,' the equivalent of 'choosing the 2020 Olympic team
by picking the eldest sons of the gold-medal winners in the 2000
Olympics.'"


The same Buffet who praised income tax hikes while paying mostly (90%?) Cap
Gains?

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hopefully he arrange stuff with his attorneys before hand and has his
assests locked up in trusts for his kids. The liberals of the world
get
sick when they see someone successful and will want to try to play
Robin Hood.

Uh, right. I'm sure such estate-tax supporters as Warren Buffett, George
Soros, David Rockefeller Jr., and Bill Gates Sr. "get sick when they see
someone successful".

It's astonishing what bizarre stereotypes some people can convince
themselves are true (assuming you even care if what you say is true).

Buffett, in particular, praised "'the critical role' that he said the
estate
tax played in promoting economic growth, by helping create a society in
which success is based on merit rather than inheritance" (NY Times
interview, Feb. 14, 2001). "Mr. Buffett said repealing the estate tax
'would
be a terrible mistake,' the equivalent of 'choosing the 2020 Olympic
team
by picking the eldest sons of the gold-medal winners in the 2000
Olympics.'"

--Gary

And why should the country be run according to dear old Warren? Far a I
know he gets one vote same as the rest of us. You shot most of your
credibility by including Soros as supporting evidence


You can be assured that Buffett, Soros, Gates, and Rockefeller will have
very little estate taxes to pay after years and millions of $$ in tax
planners. None of these will pay even a small fraction of the money they
each reaped from the government over the years.

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
...
And why should the country be run according to dear old Warren? Far a I
know he gets one vote same as the rest of us. You shot most of your
credibility by including Soros as supporting evidence

Sorry, you're not following the structure of the discussion. I didn't cite
Buffett's view or Soros's as "supporting evidence" that the estate tax is
correct. I just cited their views (and the similar views of many other
multi-millionaires, billionaires, and multi-billionaires) to demonstrate
the
absurdity of Robert's contention that the liberal estate-tax advocates
"get
sick when they see someone successful".

Other than theit own?

If Robert wanted to have a
good-faith, civil discussion of the issue, he would have to go to the
trouble of informing himself about the actual arguments and motivations of
the people he disagrees with,

He said it in an awkward fashion, but their motives are belied by the their
ACTIONS.

instead of trying to caricature them with
baseless insults.

Not baseless, just awkward.

"Rich Lemert" wrote in message
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
The liberals of the world get
sick when they see someone successful and will want to try to play
Robin Hood.


I'm sorry, but this statement is crap. Not everyone defines "success"
the same way (i.e. the accumulation of great wealth), but even if you
accept that definition most people I know would applaud the guy's
success - to the extent that he earned it.

The question I would ask, though, is what have his heirs done (other
than have better luck choosing their family) that would justify calling
them "successful"?

Turned the $4 billion company into a $14 billion company.

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hopefully he arrange stuff with his attorneys before hand and has his
assests locked up in trusts for his kids. The liberals of the world
get
sick when they see someone successful and will want to try to play
Robin Hood.

Uh, right. I'm sure such estate-tax supporters as Warren Buffett,
George
Soros, David Rockefeller Jr., and Bill Gates Sr. "get sick when they
see
someone successful".

It's astonishing what bizarre stereotypes some people can convince
themselves are true (assuming you even care if what you say is true).

Buffett, in particular, praised "'the critical role' that he said the
estate
tax played in promoting economic growth, by helping create a society in
which success is based on merit rather than inheritance" (NY Times
interview, Feb. 14, 2001). "Mr. Buffett said repealing the estate tax
'would
be a terrible mistake,' the equivalent of 'choosing the 2020 Olympic
team
by picking the eldest sons of the gold-medal winners in the 2000
Olympics.'"

--Gary

And why should the country be run according to dear old Warren? Far a I
know he gets one vote same as the rest of us. You shot most of your
credibility by including Soros as supporting evidence


You can be assured that Buffett, Soros, Gates, and Rockefeller will have
very little estate taxes to pay after years and millions of $$ in tax
planners. None of these will pay even a small fraction of the money they
each reaped from the government over the years.


I am sure they have all payed more than thier fare share of taxes.
If you have ever made any real money (six digits or more) Its hard to keep
Uncle sam thinks he deserves as much as you did working for it. Its bizare.

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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Buffett, in particular, praised "'the critical role' that he said the
estate
tax played in promoting economic growth,

Buffet is a good investor but a hore**** economist.

My point was not necessarily to endorse his economic views, but rather to
cite him and the other billionaires I mentioned as examples of estate-tax
advocates who obviously do not "get sick when they see someone successful".

by helping create a society in
which success is based on merit rather than inheritance"

So replace it with a society of parsites. Yeah, like socialism was so
successful at creating economic growth!

Hm, so parasitism occurs not when some people are arbitrarily rich by
aristocratic birthright, but rather when a slightly leveler at-birth playing
field makes the process slightly more dependent on an individual's effort
and ability. I'm glad we cleared that up.

--Gary