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On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:54:15 +0800, AL wrote:
This side of the pond, you can buy the AMRAAM, but you can't get it delivered. Something to do about not introducing the latest weapon in the region. Israeli stuff is really good and they no qualms about releasing source code. Anyone buying sophisticated weapons should insist on getting the source code, for two reasons: 1. to make it less likely there's a back door causing the weapon to stop working 2. so the weapon can be adapted for use with other equipment -- "It's easier to find people online who openly support the KKK than people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia (My real email address would be if you added 275 to it and reversed the last two letters). |
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On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:50:21 -0700, Harry Andreas wrote:
Interestingly models of aircraft operated by the Malaysia and Indonesia did not make it to the shortlist. There are a million ways to interpret this. One of them is to avoid any hesitation by the pilots when going head to head? That's certainly a consideration. Plus the recognition factor when US forces are in the area. USN a/c not likely to fire on an F-15. They'd be well advised not to fire on a Typhoon either, since it's better than anything the USN is likely to have for some time (and I think the F-35C falls in that category). -- "It's easier to find people online who openly support the KKK than people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia (My real email address would be if you added 275 to it and reversed the last two letters). |
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On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:48:52 -0600, Scott Ferrin wrote:
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:09:46 +0100, ess (phil hunt) wrote: They'd be well advised not to fire on a Typhoon either, since it's better than anything the USN is likely to have for some time (and I think the F-35C falls in that category). Well it's good to dream but I'd say wait until the F-35C is flying before making that judgement. That big wing, 56k lbs thrust (so says RR) Who's RR? The figure I've seen for thrust is 35 klbf (15900 kgf), giving F-35 a AESA, What's this? 360 degree IRST, My understanding is Eurofighter has an IRST too. stealth, -9X, The AIM-9X will have a shorter range than the Meteor (I'm assuming that Singapore would buy it, it seems quite logical if they are going for an air superiority fighter). So the Typhoons would be able to get the first shot in (not only that, since they are faster than the F-35, they have the ability to decide at what range the engagement takes place). If the engagement does get to close range, the Typhoon has (according to figures I've seen) a better thrust to weight ratio and lower wing loading. F-35 has thrust vectoring, but late models of the Typhoon might too. Typhoon is dynamically unstable, which should increase its maneouvrability. (BTW, is it right that the F-35's weapons bay is too small to fit in some weapons like ASRAAM? My understanding is ASRAAM has a larger diameter than AIM-9X, giving it potential for greater range/acceleration). -- "It's easier to find people online who openly support the KKK than people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia (My real email address would be if you added 275 to it and reversed the last two letters). |
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Rafale also has an IRST : it's called OSF : it's got a true IRST and
another tracking device (dunno how it's called though. It ressembles a bit the one used on initial production F-14As). Besides, Eurofigther isn't as versatile as the Rafale, considering mainly ATG capability. Otherwise, the Eurofighter seems to be like THE air defence fighter. Scott Ferrin wrote: Well it's good to dream but I'd say wait until the F-35C is flying before making that judgement. That big wing, 56k lbs thrust (so says RR) AESA, 360 degree IRST, stealth, -9X, . . .hell the list goes on and on. -- Guy Wastiaux aka FauCon PoiLu visit me @ http://guy.4002.org/ mail me @ faucon.Wastiaux @ laposte.net |
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On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:34:11 -0700, Harry Andreas wrote:
In article , wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:50:21 -0700, Harry Andreas wrote: Interestingly models of aircraft operated by the Malaysia and Indonesia did not make it to the shortlist. There are a million ways to interpret this. One of them is to avoid any hesitation by the pilots when going head to head? That's certainly a consideration. Plus the recognition factor when US forces are in the area. USN a/c not likely to fire on an F-15. They'd be well advised not to fire on a Typhoon either, since it's better than anything the USN is likely to have for some time (and I think the F-35C falls in that category). Is it better than an Amraam? Would the F-35 even get close enough to fire an AMRAAM? Meteor is longer range, and since the Typhoon is faster it could (depending on the tactical situation) decide whether to break contact. -- "It's easier to find people online who openly support the KKK than people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia (My real email address would be if you added 275 to it and reversed the last two letters). |
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On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:17:10 +0200, guy wastiaux
wrote: Rafale also has an IRST : it's called OSF : it's got a true IRST and another tracking device (dunno how it's called though. It ressembles a bit the one used on initial production F-14As). Besides, Eurofigther isn't as versatile as the Rafale, considering mainly ATG capability. Otherwise, the Eurofighter seems to be like THE air defence fighter. Neither Rafale nor Eurofighter is even in the same league with the F-22 and F-35. Eurofighter and Rafae are capable aircraft, but not capable of living in the same sky with the -22 or -35. Al Minyard |
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Like in Korea last year,it will may depend on "diplomatic questions",then
F.15 is on the way. But like in Korea last year also,Rafale will certainly win technical evaluations.So wait and see. "David Bromage" a écrit dans le message de news: ... AL wrote: It is all about putting all your eggs in one basket. Everybody knows about the Congress idiosyncrasies. Not to mention there may be plans to do some kind of upgrade from type 52 F16 to near type 60. IMHO, it is going to be a tossup between Rafale and the Typhoon. F15 is too complicated and the road map is too short to operate. I think the F-15 has a very good chance. Bear in mind their next door neighbours are getting Su-30s. Cheers David |
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