angle points in victor airways

If I am navigating along a Victor Airway, and want to program it into
my GPS, how can I tell if there is an angle (i.e. change in direction)
at an intersection? I know that some intersections are there just
because of changes in MOA, MOCA, etc, but definitely some are there
because the airways "bends". For example, I was flying last night from
New haven to Pittsburgh (yes, in the middle of the rain from Joanne)
along V162. Just east of Harrisburg is BOBSS, where V162 joins V12,
and turns due west.

When I was in training for my instrument rating, my CFII would tell me
to program in every intersection along the route, but that could be
dozens. I can't tell from the legend on the IFR chart the answer to
this.

How about programming intersections where 1)there is a clear change of
direction and 2) where there is an intersection at a changeover point.
That will keep it to a minimum, but keep you on the centerline of the
airway.

Dave

John Hamilton wrote:

If I am navigating along a Victor Airway, and want to program it into
my GPS, how can I tell if there is an angle (i.e. change in direction)
at an intersection? I know that some intersections are there just
because of changes in MOA, MOCA, etc, but definitely some are there
because the airways "bends". For example, I was flying last night from
New haven to Pittsburgh (yes, in the middle of the rain from Joanne)
along V162. Just east of Harrisburg is BOBSS, where V162 joins V12,
and turns due west.

When I was in training for my instrument rating, my CFII would tell me
to program in every intersection along the route, but that could be
dozens. I can't tell from the legend on the IFR chart the answer to
this.

(John Hamilton) wrote:
If I am navigating along a Victor Airway, and want to program it into
my GPS, how can I tell if there is an angle (i.e. change in direction)
at an intersection?

If you're looking at a printed chart, it should be obvious. Sometimes
the "dogleg" is a very shallow angle, and it might not be so obvious
visually, but usually it is.

When I was in training for my instrument rating, my CFII would tell me
to program in every intersection along the route, but that could be
dozens.

Programming in the intermediate intersections is probably a good idea,
since it makes it easier to keep track of where you are. Five miles
from HOZAT intersection is a little more meaningful than 87 miles from
some VOR.

BTW, it's questions like this that make me really love the CNX-80 I fly
with. You don't have to put in the intermediate fixes. You just tell
it what airway you're on, and it digs all the fixes out of the database
for you.

Programming in the intermediate intersections is probably a good idea,
since it makes it easier to keep track of where you are. Five miles
from HOZAT intersection is a little more meaningful than 87 miles from
some VOR.

BTW, it's questions like this that make me really love the CNX-80 I fly
with. You don't have to put in the intermediate fixes. You just tell
it what airway you're on, and it digs all the fixes out of the database
for you.







Gosh Roy, what a neat feature. I wonder if the Northstar M2 loran, M60 gps,
M600 gps, M3 gps had that feature on the RTE function back in 1996?


paul k. sanchez, cfii-mei
on eagles’ wings
10643 shore drive
boca raton, florida 33428-5645
305-389-1742 wireless
561-852-6779 home/fax

paul k. sanchez wrote:

Gosh Roy, what a neat feature. I wonder if the Northstar M2 loran, M60 gps,
M600 gps, M3 gps had that feature on the RTE function back in 1996?

So what's your point, other than some vague, worthless sarcasim? Did
Roy imply that the UPS/Garmin set is the only TSO-C129 set with an
airway database?

So what's your point, other than some vague, worthless sarcasim? Did
Roy imply that the UPS/Garmin set is the only TSO-C129 set with an
airway database?





Well Frank, since obviously you were quite unimpressed with the history of
other receivers that had airway data bases, perhaps you would be willing to
learn that the CNX80 (GNS480) is a TSO-C146 and not C129.

Part of this business is knowing the history of the software, who had which
features, and what hardware interface.

Don't worry yourself that I charge for humor in my billing day, I only bill for
what I know and what the client needs. I hope you can find someone that meets
your needs and lack of humor appreciation.


paul k. sanchez, cfii-mei
on eagles’ wings
10643 shore drive
boca raton, florida 33428-5645
305-389-1742 wireless
561-852-6779 home/fax

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paul k. sanchez, cfii-mei
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If you thought that was humorous, you should stick with your day job.
---JRC---

If you thought that was humorous, you should stick with your day job.
---JRC---




That I shall. Enjoy your day.


paul k. sanchez, cfii-mei
on eagles’ wings
10643 shore drive
boca raton, florida 33428-5645
305-389-1742 wireless
561-852-6779 home/fax

Roy Smith wrote:

BTW, it's questions like this that make me really love the CNX-80 I fly
with. You don't have to put in the intermediate fixes. You just tell
it what airway you're on, and it digs all the fixes out of the database
for you.

Is there any disadvantage to this?

I'd an email dialog with a Garmin representative recently. One of the
questions I asked was whether they'd plans to put airways (and airway route
entry) into their 430s at any point. His answer was that this was being
considered, but that they were concerned at making the UI more difficult.

I cannot imagine how this feature would make it more difficult, but I've
never tried this. You obviously have. So...is there any complexity
increase to this?

- Andrew

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Roy Smith wrote:
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- Andrew


I shouldn't answer for Roy, but it's very easy in the CNX80/GNS480.
You can try for yourself, if you wish, by downloading and running the
CNX80 simulator for Windows, from Garmin:
http://www.garmin.com/software/simulators/CNX80sim.zip

When you insert any waypoint (or VOR) into a flight plan you are =
building,
and then indicate you wish to insert an airway from there,
you get to select from a list of all airways using that waypoint.
After you choose your airway, you get to pick your exit point
from an alphabetized list of all waypoints (and VORs) in that airway.
The CNX80/GNS480 also shows you a maplike diagram of the airway,
which is helpful in making your choice.

Roy, did I leave out any important thing?
---JRC---