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Old August 24th 08, 08:29 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Bob F.[_3_]
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Lou wrote in
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On Aug 24, 1:43 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote
:

If you are following a road or river or other feature on the ground
while flying VFR, and that feature runs north/south but often veers
off to one side or the other, are you expected to change your
altitude each time you move from a heading of 0-179 to 180-359 or
vice versa?


Why would you follow a road? If you want to follow a road, drive a
car.
Why would you follow a river, rivers end.
Why not fly the plane?



Because he doesn't fly.



Bertie

Why does everyone get on this guys case just because he doesn't fly? He
brings up some good typical student questions and some even us old timers
have to rethink.

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Old August 24th 08, 08:48 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]
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Default Maintaining VFR altitudes when following N/S roads/rivers

"Bob F." wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Lou wrote in
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On Aug 24, 1:43 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote
:

If you are following a road or river or other feature on the
ground while flying VFR, and that feature runs north/south but
often veers off to one side or the other, are you expected to
change your altitude each time you move from a heading of 0-179
to 180-359 or vice versa?

Why would you follow a road? If you want to follow a road, drive a
car.
Why would you follow a river, rivers end.
Why not fly the plane?



Because he doesn't fly.



Bertie

Why does everyone get on this guys case just because he doesn't fly?



It isn't because he doesn't fly.



Bertie
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Old August 24th 08, 08:51 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dave S
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Default Maintaining VFR altitudes when following N/S roads/rivers


Why does everyone get on this guys case just because he doesn't fly? He
brings up some good typical student questions and some even us old
timers have to rethink.


Because he's never flown, doesnt WANT to fly, purports to know more than
those who do, and gives advice based on that.. all the while asking such
questions as above.

He's been asked not to do so. He's been asked to change his tact. His
antisocial tendencies overrule though...and he's a pest..

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Old August 24th 08, 08:45 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Lou wrote:

Why would you follow a road? If you want to follow a road, drive a
car.


VFR at night terrain avoidance.

To get from the LA basin to Chiraco Summit to see the Patton museum.


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Old August 24th 08, 08:48 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Lou writes:

Why would you follow a road?


Pilotage. I try to practice different forms of navigation, and pilotage is a
useful type of navigation for VFR flights.
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Old August 24th 08, 09:11 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Lou writes:

Why would you follow a road?


Pilotage. I try to practice different forms of navigation, and pilotage
is a
useful type of navigation for VFR flights.


This situation usually resolves itself.
If you are flying "pilotage" and at an altitude that the VFR cruising
altitudes applies, you will probably be picking out a ground reference many
miles away and cruise for some time before changing coarse. If you insist
on keeping you plane on the same coarse as the river or road then then you
are expected to follow the rule. If you are below 3000' agl, then the VFR
cruising rule doesn't apply.

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Regards, Bob F.

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Old August 25th 08, 12:32 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Dave S
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Bob F. wrote:

If you are below 3000' agl,
then the VFR cruising rule doesn't apply.


Is that a US only rule or universal? They refer to lots of lower
altitudes as flight levels over there in Europe where mx is..
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Old August 24th 08, 11:52 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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What you are doing is not pilotage.
Fly a straight line based on compass and wind correction computations.
Time between visual points, towns, bridges, etc to compute ground speed.
Correct the heading slightly based on "observations" from pilotage.

just following a meandering river or road is not pilotage.

BT

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Lou writes:

Why would you follow a road?


Pilotage. I try to practice different forms of navigation, and pilotage
is a
useful type of navigation for VFR flights.



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Old August 25th 08, 12:12 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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just following a meandering river or road is not pilotage.

But fun!
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Old August 25th 08, 12:20 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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"BT" wrote in message
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What you are doing is not pilotage.
Fly a straight line based on compass and wind correction computations.
Time between visual points, towns, bridges, etc to compute ground speed.
Correct the heading slightly based on "observations" from pilotage.

just following a meandering river or road is not pilotage.

BT

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Lou writes:

Why would you follow a road?


Pilotage. I try to practice different forms of navigation, and pilotage
is a
useful type of navigation for VFR flights.


What is it that makes you think he not practicing pilotage? What would you
call what he describes what he is doing? (reference please). We'll give you
a little time to read up on Pilotage, DR and Radio navigation and then you
can restate what you said.
--
Regards, Bob F.

 




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