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Use of hand-held GPS on FAA check ride
After decades of national policy prohibiting use of hand-held VOR and GPS on
FAA check rides, FAA Flight Standards Headquarters in Washington DC (AFS-800) finally reversed itself and is now allowing the use of hand-held VOR and GPS on Private, Commercial and Instrument FAA check rides. So, if your Private Pilot applicant wants to use his new Garmin Pilot III GPS to demonstrate radio navigation on the check ride, he may do so. Of course, if the aircraft is equipped with a VOR receiver and CDI, he still must demonstrate proficiency with that unit as well. While this question was put to the FAA regarding use of the hand-held GPS in a helicopter, I don't believe that the policy change is category/class specific. Of course, all navigation tasks on the PTS must be evaluated and if the GPS doesn't allow proper evaluation of any task, then the approproate nav gear must be aboard to allow proper demonstration of that task. And yes, the GPS may be velcro taped to the panel. It was a difficult process to get the FAA to finally see the light that if a hand-held GPS provides the same useful, unambigious information that a panel-mounted unit gives, it should be allowed on the check ride. After several policy position reversals over the last 10 months, the FAA finally published their final policy change in the Part 61 FAQ's on the FAA's web page. Go to http://afs600.faa.gov and download the "Part 61 FAQ's" and look at the new, revised Q&A 170e. I was privileged to take part in the promulgation of this change and have suggested some methods of evaluating the Navigation Task on the practical test, which is reflected in Q&A 572. Constructive input on this matter is welcomed. It is not easy to get the FAA to change policy on anything, much less something on which they have been so opposed for so may years. To their credit, they listened to reason and actually considered public input to effect this change. Any comments on this change are welcomed. Tailwinds, Antique Examiner |
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Thanks for the update! Good job!
"Barry" wrote in message ... After decades of national policy prohibiting use of hand-held VOR and GPS on FAA check rides, FAA Flight Standards Headquarters in Washington DC (AFS-800) finally reversed itself and is now allowing the use of hand-held VOR and GPS on Private, Commercial and Instrument FAA check rides. So, if your Private Pilot applicant wants to use his new Garmin Pilot III GPS to demonstrate radio navigation on the check ride, he may do so. Of course, if the aircraft is equipped with a VOR receiver and CDI, he still must demonstrate proficiency with that unit as well. While this question was put to the FAA regarding use of the hand-held GPS in a helicopter, I don't believe that the policy change is category/class specific. Of course, all navigation tasks on the PTS must be evaluated and if the GPS doesn't allow proper evaluation of any task, then the approproate nav gear must be aboard to allow proper demonstration of that task. And yes, the GPS may be velcro taped to the panel. It was a difficult process to get the FAA to finally see the light that if a hand-held GPS provides the same useful, unambigious information that a panel-mounted unit gives, it should be allowed on the check ride. After several policy position reversals over the last 10 months, the FAA finally published their final policy change in the Part 61 FAQ's on the FAA's web page. Go to http://afs600.faa.gov and download the "Part 61 FAQ's" and look at the new, revised Q&A 170e. I was privileged to take part in the promulgation of this change and have suggested some methods of evaluating the Navigation Task on the practical test, which is reflected in Q&A 572. Constructive input on this matter is welcomed. It is not easy to get the FAA to change policy on anything, much less something on which they have been so opposed for so may years. To their credit, they listened to reason and actually considered public input to effect this change. Any comments on this change are welcomed. Tailwinds, Antique Examiner |
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I am currently taking flight lessons, so does this mean I can use a hand
held GPS during lessons, and the check ride? If so, do I just print this section out and show it too my CFI and FAA tester? Thanks, Tom "Barry" wrote in message ... After decades of national policy prohibiting use of hand-held VOR and GPS on FAA check rides, FAA Flight Standards Headquarters in Washington DC (AFS-800) finally reversed itself and is now allowing the use of hand-held VOR and GPS on Private, Commercial and Instrument FAA check rides. So, if your Private Pilot applicant wants to use his new Garmin Pilot III GPS to demonstrate radio navigation on the check ride, he may do so. Of course, if the aircraft is equipped with a VOR receiver and CDI, he still must demonstrate proficiency with that unit as well. While this question was put to the FAA regarding use of the hand-held GPS in a helicopter, I don't believe that the policy change is category/class specific. Of course, all navigation tasks on the PTS must be evaluated and if the GPS doesn't allow proper evaluation of any task, then the approproate nav gear must be aboard to allow proper demonstration of that task. And yes, the GPS may be velcro taped to the panel. It was a difficult process to get the FAA to finally see the light that if a hand-held GPS provides the same useful, unambigious information that a panel-mounted unit gives, it should be allowed on the check ride. After several policy position reversals over the last 10 months, the FAA finally published their final policy change in the Part 61 FAQ's on the FAA's web page. Go to http://afs600.faa.gov and download the "Part 61 FAQ's" and look at the new, revised Q&A 170e. I was privileged to take part in the promulgation of this change and have suggested some methods of evaluating the Navigation Task on the practical test, which is reflected in Q&A 572. Constructive input on this matter is welcomed. It is not easy to get the FAA to change policy on anything, much less something on which they have been so opposed for so may years. To their credit, they listened to reason and actually considered public input to effect this change. Any comments on this change are welcomed. Tailwinds, Antique Examiner |
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First, Tom, go to the FAA's web site and download the relevant Q&A (170e and
572). After you've read it a few times, go do something unrelated and fun .... and then come back and read it again. Then, take a copy to your instructor and your friendly DPE (who most likely has never heard of it). Then, while they are still in disbelief, give them the following address and phone number and have them call Mr. John Lynch of AFS-800 in Washington DC. He's the point man for FAA Headquarters Flight Standards this policy change ... and have them discuss it with him. JOHN D LYNCH Certification Branch AFS-840 General Aviation and Commercial Division Flight Standards Service Federal Aviation Administration 800 Independence Avenue SW Washington DC 20591 202 267-3844 267-5094 FAX This policy change in Q&A-170e is bound to generate controversy and angst among those who do not read it carefully - and maybe even among those who do read it carefully. Q&A 572 may provide your instructor with some useable guidance on how handheld GPS may be used for the evaluation of the Navigation Task on the Private and Commercial Practical Test. Yesterday, I administered a Priavte Pilot check ride and the applicant was able to demonstrate all the task areas outlined in Q&A 572 using a Garmin GPS Pilot III. Therefore, your perception as to the use of hand-held GPS during your lessons and for the Practical test is correct, if it conforms to the conditions outlined in the Q&A. Good luck on your training and test. Tailwinds. - Antique Examiner "Tom Hyslip" wrote in message m... I am currently taking flight lessons, so does this mean I can use a hand held GPS during lessons, and the check ride? If so, do I just print this section out and show it too my CFI and FAA tester? Thanks, Tom "Barry" wrote in message ... After decades of national policy prohibiting use of hand-held VOR and GPS on FAA check rides, FAA Flight Standards Headquarters in Washington DC (AFS-800) finally reversed itself and is now allowing the use of hand-held VOR and GPS on Private, Commercial and Instrument FAA check rides. So, if your Private Pilot applicant wants to use his new Garmin Pilot III GPS to demonstrate radio navigation on the check ride, he may do so. Of course, if the aircraft is equipped with a VOR receiver and CDI, he still must demonstrate proficiency with that unit as well. While this question was put to the FAA regarding use of the hand-held GPS in a helicopter, I don't believe that the policy change is category/class specific. Of course, all navigation tasks on the PTS must be evaluated and if the GPS doesn't allow proper evaluation of any task, then the approproate nav gear must be aboard to allow proper demonstration of that task. And yes, the GPS may be velcro taped to the panel. It was a difficult process to get the FAA to finally see the light that if a hand-held GPS provides the same useful, unambigious information that a panel-mounted unit gives, it should be allowed on the check ride. After several policy position reversals over the last 10 months, the FAA finally published their final policy change in the Part 61 FAQ's on the FAA's web page. Go to http://afs600.faa.gov and download the "Part 61 FAQ's" and look at the new, revised Q&A 170e. I was privileged to take part in the promulgation of this change and have suggested some methods of evaluating the Navigation Task on the practical test, which is reflected in Q&A 572. Constructive input on this matter is welcomed. It is not easy to get the FAA to change policy on anything, much less something on which they have been so opposed for so may years. To their credit, they listened to reason and actually considered public input to effect this change. Any comments on this change are welcomed. Tailwinds, Antique Examiner |
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