Definitive website that proves Bush was AWOL

WalterM140 wrote:

Kerry was treated for the wound at a medical facility in Cam Ranh Bay.

That's @ 100 miles from the Mekong Delta.
It's a long way to go for a bandaid.

Perhaps you should look at the map. You will find Nha Trang to be ~40k
N. of CRB.

John Kerry was a (jg), the OinC or skipper of a Swift boat,
newly arrived in Vietnam. On the night of December 2,
he was on patrol north of Cam Ranh, up near Nha Trang area.
The next day he came to sick bay, the medical facility,
for treatment of a wound that had occurred that night.

Apparently it wasn't too far to go for 1/3 of an early out.


Jack

It's clear now that Bush failed to satisfactorily complete his service.
Records have been destroyed and fabricated to cover this up.

Sez you.
And of course your credentials as regards verifiable facts are
impeccable?

They are good enough.

Analysis of the payroll records show that he did not attend/make up at least
five drills.

Other factoids:

Bush was inducted in May, 1968, but not released until November, 1974. That
is what his "military biography" says. Why was he held over his six year
commtment?

What happened to the results of the mandatory Board of Inquiry into his being
grounded?

Those of you who voted for Bush in 2000, and support him now -- you were
duped.

8/7/2004

"Official confirms Bush should have been on active duty after failing to train
at Harvard

By John Byrne | Raw Story Editor

In yet another stunning indictment of President George W. Bush’s failure to
complete his required military service, a senior Reagan defense official
confirmed that Bush should have been placed on active duty when he failed to
find a Guard unit to serve with after tranferring to Massachusetts to attend
Harvard Business school.

When asked if Bush should have been put on active duty when he failed to find
another unit to train with, Korb said, “Yes.�

The Air Force has declined to comment after being reached several times during
the last three days.

Bush began classes at Harvard in September 1973, and tranferred out of the
Texas Air National Guard in October. After receiving his discharge papers,
which were postmarked October 16, he was assigned to the Air Reserve Personnel
Center (the default non-location based assignment center).

He then had 60 days to find a new unit. He didn’t.

Under regulations, he was then absent without leave for a second time, the
first being for five months in 1972.

He would remain so until he was put in an executive officer support position on
March 7, 1974. He is then listed as being on active status, although there are
no orders or documents to account for why he had changed positions and had been
reactivated.

Nor was he qualified for this position, which under Air Force Regulations,
mandates a full year of training. Moreover, he did not serve in any executive
position while training as a pilot.

More importantly, however, Bush never showed up for another drill ever again.
The last drill he completed credited him though September 1973 – a little
more than five years into his six-year requirement, which should have ended in
May of 1974.

“You have an obligation,� Korb asserted. “Back then if you joined the
Guard you had to go into a selected reserve for six years.�

The only explanation for such a gross violation of military regulations was for
someone to have “fixed� Bush’s status, put him in a position for which he
was not qualified, and eventually discharged him.

But it would have been impossible for Bush to have actually fulfilled his
six-year service requirement."

http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=178

Mo



8/3/2004

Air Force appears to discharge Bush after discovering he was AWOL

By John Byrne | RAW STORY Editor

New research confirmed by RAW STORY and verified with federal law and military
regulations, indicates that in late 1973 or early 1974, the United States Air
Force, which supervises and whose jurisdiction supercedes the Air National
Guard, attempted to discharge then-Lieutenant George W. Bush."

http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=177

It's clear Bush did not complete his commitment satisfactorily.

Hopefully the Press will actually start to do their jobs, finally.

Karl Rove unleashing the Swift Boats Vets is going to bite the Bush campaign in
the butt.

Walt

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(WalterM140) wrote in
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Kerry was treated for the wound at a medical facility in Cam Ranh Bay.

That's @ 100 miles from the Mekong Delta.

OK, I'll stipulate that.

It's a long way to go for a bandaid.

Which raises interesting questions about Trotskerry's
location when the alleged injuries were incurred.

Of course release of his military records might
lay all doubts to rest

IBM

Guys - you didn't read this very carefully. Kerry was up around Cam
Rahn Bay at the time he was wounded. Actually the stuff I have seen
says he had a months training up there before heading for his
assignment.


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(WalterM140) wrote in
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They are good enough.

They are non-existent.

Analysis of the payroll records show that he did not attend/make up at
least five drills.

You can't find them in other words.
DOD is happy with the record.

Other factoids:

Factoid. Like unto a fact but not quite up to snuff.

Bush was inducted in May, 1968, but not released until November, 1974.
That is what his "military biography" says. Why was he held over his
six year commtment?

And of course this is highly unusual?
Sez you....

What happened to the results of the mandatory Board of Inquiry into
his being grounded?

Mandatory?
Sez you....
And we are supposed to accept your say-so why exactly?

Those of you who voted for Bush in 2000, and support him now -- you
were duped.

No, we prevented the Dhimmicreeps from stealing the election.

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IBM

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WalterM140 wrote:

Records have been destroyed and fabricated to cover this up.

Another vast right wing conspiracy huh?


Yes.

Walt

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Frankly, this has been discussed to death and I think everybody pretty much
knows the score. It is time for you OT, cross-posting, political spamming slime
to get a life; or at least find an interesting subject.

Hell very few people know the score. They've heard the issue but they
don't know who's telling the truth. This website settles it.

You know, perhaps if you got a job, as opposed to living off of
disability, you might not be so miserable.

Analysis of the payroll records show that he did not attend/make up at
least five drills.

You can't find them in other words.
DOD is happy with the record.

Are they still on about that? Bush actually attended more drills in
his last two years than were expected of him. See
www.warbirdforum.com/bushf102.htm for an analysis of his military
service that takes into account all the paranoid stuff that has been
posted and published on this subject.

The common thread I find in the anti-Bush articles and web pages is an
almost complete ignorance of military procedure. For example, you will
find breathless pointing to the fact that he "was ordered" to attend a
weekend of training, misunderstanding the statement that he "got
orders" for the drill--in other words, he received authorization.

Another instance: your ditsy interlocutor points with shock to the
fact that Bush served six months EXTRA! Omigod! Surely this proves
something?

Sure, it proves that he spent 12 months in the inactive reserve in
exchange for having 6 months chopped off his Guard duty.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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Guys - you didn't read this very carefully. Kerry was up around Cam
Rahn Bay at the time he was wounded. Actually the stuff I have seen
says he had a months training up there before heading for his
assignment.


You're absolutely right.

Walt

Another instance: your ditsy interlocutor points with shock to the
fact that Bush served six months EXTRA! Omigod! Surely this proves
something?

Yes. It indicates that he skipped five monthly drills and didn't make them up,
which is what the recently released DOD records -conclusively- show.

Walt

Sure, it proves that he spent 12 months in the inactive reserve in
exchange for having 6 months chopped off his Guard duty.

No, it's all out now.

The records released by the DOD recently show conclusively that Bush failed to
attend or make up five drills. And there's more.

"A RESEARCHER UNCOVERS THE FACTS

As it turned out, the key was a willingness to dive deep into these documents,
and knowing how to read them. Rove counted on the essential laziness and
ignorance of ordinary mainstream reporters, who wouldn't be aware of what all
those military codes and numbers and jargon-terms meant.

Once again, as in so many other areas, the "underground" journalists - in our
time, those working on the internet - rode to the rescue. On this issue, the
energy and laser-like focus came from one Paul Lukasiak of Philadelphia.

It turns out that, unlike the great majority of ordinary journalists, Lukasiak
was undaunted by the hundreds of pages of dry military records distributed by
the White House. He was a bloodhound on the hunt. And, he possessed some
experience in working with old documents, especially old military punch-card
records from 30 years ago.

In a recent email, Lukasiak described how he pieced the story together:


I spent a couple of months reading the statutes, DoD regulation, and Air Force
policies and procedures, and spent a great deal of time figuring out the rest
of the payroll records and 'points records' themselves. Having acquired a
certain amount of knowledge, the nature and the meaning of the pattern in the
payroll data became self-evident....Just by looking at the data lines found in
the payroll records, there are obvious patterns that anyone could detect.

And so, piece by piece, Lukasiak pulled together the jigsaw puzzle that was
George W. Bush's long-ago, much-abbreviated military service. And, lo and
behold, he figured it out. His four months of research led him to a number of
incendiary conclusions, documented with his meticulous research, which were
picked up by a relatively small number of online websites - Corrente, Kevin
Drum, Democrats.com, The Crisis Papers. For example, here's what Lukasiak
furnished The Crisis Papers, as a way of summing up his four months of
research; the emphasis is supplied:

BUSH'S SERVICE WAS "MISREPRESENTED"

An examination of U.S. Statutory Law, Department of Defense Regulations, and
Air Force policies and procedures from the early seventies proves that George
W. Bush and his spokesmen have consistently misrepresented the nature and
extent of his obligations as a member of the United States armed forces.

When considered within their proper legal and policy context, the Bush records
effectively rebut the White House claim that Bush 'fulfilled his duty.' When
considered as a whole, these documents reveal that Bush spent the last two
years of his six-year Military Service Obligation in an active effort to avoid
fulfilling the obligations and commitments he incurred upon entering the Texas
Air National Guard.

They also show that while some Texas officials aided and abetted Bush's efforts
(and others apparently acquiesced to what was happening), there is no reason to
question the character of Alabama officials, or Air Reserve Forces personnel as
a whole. Finally, the only conclusion that can be reached from an examination
of Bush's records for the period after he quit the Air National Guard is that
the Air Force attempted to take punitive measures against Bush, but that
political pressure prevented those measures from being carried out.

Lawrence Korb - who was Assistant Secretary of Defense for Manpower, Reserve
Affairs, Installations and Logistics under Reagan from 1981-85 - appears to
agree with the conclusion based on the key five-month period of Bush's service
when there are no records that he reported for duty: "If you don't show up,
you're absent without leave, by definition."

Dynamite stuff, yes? "

http://www.democraticunderground.com...8/12_awol.html

Aniother link:

http://www.glcq.com/

"On February 10. 2004, the White House released a number of documents[1]
related to George W. Bush’s military service in the Texas Air National Guard.
(TXANG). The White House claimed repeatedly (twelve time in fact, see box)
that these documents proved that Bush had fulfilled his duty.


In fact, not only did those documents fail to prove that Bush had “fulfilled
his duties�, they prove the opposite.


On Friday, February 13, 2004, the White House released what it described as all
the documents[2] in Bush’s personnel files. Most accurately described as a
“document dump� the hundreds of pages were thoroughly disorganized and
filled with scores of duplicate pages.


The mainstream press was confronted with this massive amount of information to
sift through, and had no expertise with which to evaluate the information
contained in the documents. As a result, virtually no real reporting was done
on the documents, other than to state that there was “no smoking gun�
found, apparently because none of the documents announced in bold type “BUSH
WAS AWOL�.

But the records released by the White House contained more than a “smoking
gun�. They contained a whole arsenal of documents that, if you know the
context in which they were written, establish beyond a shadow of a doubt that
“Bush was AWOL.�


These documents include:

1) “Points� records showing that for two straight years, Bush did not
perform the training that was mandated by law, and which could not be excused
by his superior officers. (See The Points Scam)

2) Payroll records showing that Bush requested and received pay and point
credit for which he was ineligible under Air Force policy (See Fraud—The
Secrets of Bush’s Payroll Records Revealed)

3) Documents related to Bush’s attempted transfer to the “9921st Air
Reserve Squadron� showing that the request was an attempt by Bush to
fraudulently escape his obligations as a member of the United States Armed
Forces (See The Transfer Scam)

4) Documents showing that Bush’s superior officers attempted to cover up
for Bush being “AWOL�, but eventually had to admit that they had lost track
of Bush for an entire year. (See The Cover-up in Texas).

5) Documents showing that Bush intended to desert the Armed Forces with
almost a year of his statutory six year participation requirement unfulfilled
(See Discharge, or Desertion?)

6) Documents showing that the Air Force understood that Bush was a
“deserter�, and had taken the steps necessary to deal with someone in
Bush’s position who had abandoned their commitment to the US Government. See
(Deserter: Bush After TXANG)

The Bush documents also reveal that

1) Bush’s personnel files were tampered with to disguise what had
occurred.

2) The person upon whom the media has relied upon for its interpretation of
Bush’s military records (an individual who was specifically engaged by the
2000 Bush campaign to “clear� Bush) was directly involved in providing Bush
with favorable treatment as a member of the Texas Air National Guard, and

3) This person has lied about the nature of Bush’s records, and made
claims regarding Bush’s obligations as a member of the United States Armed
Forces that have absolutely no basis in fact

For the past four years, Bush and his supporters have done everything in their
power to obscure the facts concerning Bush’s military service. This series
will reveal those facts, and in the process, reveal the character of George W.
Bush, and those who defend and support him."


Walt