Russian Military Technology

Do you know who Von Braun was ?
Do you know who Fermi was ?
Do you know who Einsten was ?

Were they Americans ?

Not born, but naturalized. They weren't dragged off in the middle of the night
by a NKVD team.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

My
point is that America is a European country in a different continent.

Now-a-days, that is a very insulting statement. If the issue of Iraq isn't
enough to show the vast differences between Europeans and Americans, nothing
is.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

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(Alejandro Magno)
Date: 1/4/2004 12:16 AM Central Standard Time
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[snip...]

Remember that American rocket technology, American nuclear reactors
and American nuclear bombs were designed by Europeans.

Do you know who Von Braun was ?
Do you know who Fermi was ?
Do you know who Einsten was ?

Were they Americans ?

Yes they were. They became U.S. citizens.

The laser, transistor, polio vaccine etc were all invented by Americans.

Look, this could go on forever, but what's the point?

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

From http://www.nobel.se/physics/laureates/1971/index.html

cite
The Nobel Prize in Physics 1971
"for his invention and development of the holographic method"
Dennis Gabor
United Kingdom
Imperial College London, United Kingdom
b. 1900 (in Budapest, Hungary)
d. 1979

/cite

Regards
JasiekS
Warsaw, Poland

America tried to steal Mig-15:

Not to copy, but to study. I hope you're intentionally being naive, otherwise
you're a very foolish person..

America stole Mig-25:

Hardly, Belenko defected with one. Once again we wanted it to study, not copy.

America trying to buy Russian S-300 (the Patriot is only for
photograps, it does not work):

PAC III works fine, once again, our interest in Soviet military hardware is to
study how to defeat it, not copy it. When's the last time you saw the Soviets
or Russians produce something and then a very similar copy comes out in the
west? Never. I can't even count the western copied hardware in the Russian
military. Boy that Blackjack sure looks like a B-1B doesn't it?

Do you know that B-2 and F-117 are based on Russian technology ?

I didn't think I could laugh that hard just by reading something. So where's
the Russian Air Force stealth platforms?

So, if America technology is so superior why they have tried to buy or
steal Russian equipment.


To exploit it....wow, you can't be this dense can you?

What is going on with the Space Shuttle ? If it were not for the
Russians the astrounats in the International Space Station would have
died.

Hardly. If it had been life or death, NASA would have resumed shuttle flights
long enough to "rescue" those aboard the ISS. As it is, we don't have to
because of Russias capability to supply the ISS and swap out crews. But
remember the only reason the Russians are able to do this is because of
billions of US dollars and the simple fact that the Soviet Space Shuttle (plans
bought legally from US contractors) was considered dangerous and unreliable and
never flew with any living creatures on board. Doesn't speak much to your
vaunted Russian space industry huh? Oh, by the way, how many Soviets/Russians
have been killed in your space program? Hint, approximately twice what the US
has suffered.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

In article ,
(Alejandro Magno) writes:
nt wrote
Before you get all excited about this "Soviet wonderweapon", remember that it
is nothing more than a modernized Panzerfaust 60. Thank goodness the Russian
war machine can build really good copies of captured German stuff, eh?

Remember that American rocket technology, American nuclear reactors
and American nuclear bombs were designed by Europeans.

Do you know who Von Braun was ?

Yeah, the German guy who made bigger versions of Goddard's rockets.


Do you know who Fermi was ?

Italian bloke, always hung about in the handball court at the
University in Chicago?

Do you know who Einsten was ?
No, but I recall a guy name Einstein who hang around Princeton a lot.

Were they Americans ?

An all cases, yes, in fact, they were. They came over, liked it here,
and applied for Citizenship.

It's worth noting that two of the three you mention above left their
"Native" nations due to their intense revulsion at the deirections
that those nations had taken.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

The best the Russians can do is hope for a chance hit on a helicopter
with
an RPG.


But you have to give them credit for that one....although its
surface-to-air
capability was not part of the design and not discovered by the
Russians....maybe they don't deserve any credit. Maybe this is the key to
Russian military hardware, find alternative uses for it. Maybe a T-72
makes an
outstanding toaster oven? A MiG-29 as stero system? The possibilities are
nearly endless

If you dropped a T-72 from a plane it would make a pretty good KE
weapon but with it's lack of aerodynamics it would be all over the
place so I guess it wouldn't even make a good bomb. I suppose you
could dump it in the ocean and use it for a corel reef or melt it down
and use it for something useful.

T-72 was a good tank in it's time vs Leopard I's, M60's and early M1's.
After the Soviet Union fell there were slight cuts in military spending if
you didn't notice.

On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 15:12:19 +0100, "JasiekS"
wrote:


From http://www.nobel.se/physics/laureates/1971/index.html

cite
The Nobel Prize in Physics 1971
"for his invention and development of the holographic method"
Dennis Gabor
United Kingdom
Imperial College London, United Kingdom
b. 1900 (in Budapest, Hungary)
d. 1979

/cite

Holographs aren't lasers. Charles Townes, et al, got the Nobel for
the maser in the '60s. They were American.

And Von Braun pointed out that he learned about rocketry from Robert
Goddard, the father of modern rocketry. Another American.

Quick question, which is nothing to do with lasers or Nobels really:
Is it common in Poland to hear about the achievements of Poles who
succeed after leaving Poland for another country? I know Gabor is
Hungarian, so I'm not asking about him, but what about Pulaski, for
example?

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

Alejandro Magno wrote:

My point is that America is a European country in a different continent.

Yes, but without most of the sense of greatness lost
(and senseless violence) that had been experienced
by their grandfathers in "the old country"...

B2431 wrote:

From: "Felger Carbon"
Date: 1/3/2004 10:13 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: .net

wrote in message
...
Airwolf
could smoke a MiG-29 or Su-37! After all, Airwolf took out
MiG-23s/27s &
Mirages routinely, 'cause I saw it on TV & TV's been around a LOT
longer
than the 'net, so I KNOW it's true!

Ah, yes, Airwolf. I wuz always impressed as hell by that supersonic
helicopter. I wonder what its RCS was at mach 2? ;-)


Don't forget it could hover at 80kilofeet, was bullet proof, carried an
unlimited supply of sidewinders, mavericks, hellfire, etc.

On the other hand Blue Thunder had whisper mode.


Yes, but that infamous russian invention the freight train missile
took it out. Have the russians deployed it yet??

Bob


Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired



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From: (BUFDRVR)
snip

Oh, by the way, how many Soviets/Russians
have been killed in your space program? Hint, approximately twice what the US
has suffered.


BUFDRVR

A lot more than twice if you count that li'l rocket (N-1?) that blew up on the
pad. IIRC the death count was in the 60s.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired