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Old November 17th 07, 04:50 AM posted to sci.military.naval, rec.aviation.military.naval
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Default Russian Carrier Plans Part One

See:

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Russ...t_One_999.html

Nice plans, but can they be carried out?
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Old November 18th 07, 12:02 AM posted to sci.military.naval, rec.aviation.military.naval
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Default Russian Carrier Plans Part One

On Nov 16, 9:50 pm, wrote:
See:

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Russ...t_One_999.html

Nice plans, but can they be carried out?




Why not?


Russia has billions and billions of EUROS worth of oil and gas.
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Old November 18th 07, 02:09 AM posted to sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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Default Russian Carrier Plans Part One

"Mr.Smartypants" wrote:

:On Nov 16, 9:50 pm, wrote:
: See:
:
: http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Russ...t_One_999.html
:
: Nice plans, but can they be carried out?
:
:
:Why not?
:
:Russia has billions and billions of EUROS worth of oil and gas.
:

If mere money would do it, Saudi Arabia would have a huge carrier
aviation organization.

They don't.

The United States, with a stronger economy and much more experience in
carrier aviation didn't build at anything near the rate the Russians
claim they want to.

What reason is there to believe they can do it?


--
"Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute."
-- Charles Pinckney
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Old November 18th 07, 02:58 AM posted to sci.military.naval, rec.aviation.military.naval
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Default Russian Carrier Plans Part One

On Nov 17, 7:09 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
"Mr.Smartypants" wrote:

:On Nov 16, 9:50 pm, wrote:
: See:
:
:http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Russ...t_One_999.html
:
: Nice plans, but can they be carried out?
:
:
:Why not?
:
:Russia has billions and billions of EUROS worth of oil and gas.
:

If mere money would do it, Saudi Arabia would have a huge carrier
aviation organization.

They don't.

The United States, with a stronger economy and much more experience in
carrier aviation didn't build at anything near the rate the Russians
claim they want to.

What reason is there to believe they can do it?




I guess you didn't notice what they did in WW II.

Thousands of tanks.

Hundreds of thousands of sub-machine guns.

Ammo.

and all while under attack.







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"Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute."
-- Charles Pinckney


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Old November 18th 07, 03:27 AM posted to sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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Default Russian Carrier Plans Part One


"Mr.Smartypants" wrote in message
...
On Nov 17, 7:09 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
"Mr.Smartypants" wrote:

:On Nov 16, 9:50 pm, wrote:
: See:
:

:http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Russ...t_One_999.html
:
: Nice plans, but can they be carried out?
:
:
:Why not?
:
:Russia has billions and billions of EUROS worth of oil and gas.
:

If mere money would do it, Saudi Arabia would have a huge carrier
aviation organization.

They don't.

The United States, with a stronger economy and much more experience in
carrier aviation didn't build at anything near the rate the Russians
claim they want to.

What reason is there to believe they can do it?




I guess you didn't notice what they did in WW II.

Thousands of tanks.

Hundreds of thousands of sub-machine guns.

Ammo.

and all while under attack.


ships require a bit more infrustructure than tanks or submachine guns.
any locomotive ot truck factory can make a tank and they can be located
anywhere
a shipyard has to be in a spot with deep water access.


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Old November 18th 07, 03:34 AM posted to sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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Default Russian Carrier Plans Part One

"Mr.Smartypants" wrote:

:On Nov 17, 7:09 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
: "Mr.Smartypants" wrote:
:
: :On Nov 16, 9:50 pm, wrote:
: : See:
: :
: :http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Russ...t_One_999.html
: :
: : Nice plans, but can they be carried out?
: :
: :
: :Why not?
: :
: :Russia has billions and billions of EUROS worth of oil and gas.
: :
:
: If mere money would do it, Saudi Arabia would have a huge carrier
: aviation organization.
:
: They don't.
:
: The United States, with a stronger economy and much more experience in
: carrier aviation didn't build at anything near the rate the Russians
: claim they want to.
:
: What reason is there to believe they can do it?
:
:
:I guess you didn't notice what they did in WW II.
:
:Thousands of tanks.
:
:Hundreds of thousands of sub-machine guns.
:
:Ammo.
:
:and all while under attack.
:

I guess you don't know the difference between manufacturing bullets
and building carrier strike groups.


--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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Old November 18th 07, 03:38 AM posted to sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Fred J. McCall
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Default Russian Carrier Plans Part One

"Mr.Smartypants" wrote:

:On Nov 17, 7:09 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
: "Mr.Smartypants" wrote:
:
: :On Nov 16, 9:50 pm, wrote:
: : See:
: :
: :http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Russ...t_One_999.html
: :
: : Nice plans, but can they be carried out?
: :
: :
: :Why not?
: :
: :Russia has billions and billions of EUROS worth of oil and gas.
: :
:
: If mere money would do it, Saudi Arabia would have a huge carrier
: aviation organization.
:
: They don't.
:
: The United States, with a stronger economy and much more experience in
: carrier aviation didn't build at anything near the rate the Russians
: claim they want to.
:
: What reason is there to believe they can do it?
:
:
:I guess you didn't notice what they did in WW II.
:
:Thousands of tanks.
:
:Hundreds of thousands of sub-machine guns.
:
:Ammo.
:
:and all while under attack.
:

I guess you don't know the difference between manufacturing bullets
and building carrier strike groups.


--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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Old November 19th 07, 10:08 AM posted to sci.military.naval, rec.aviation.military.naval
Mr.Smartypants[_2_]
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Default Russian Carrier Plans Part One

On Nov 17, 8:27 pm, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:
"Mr.Smartypants" wrote in message

... On Nov 17, 7:09 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
"Mr.Smartypants" wrote:


:On Nov 16, 9:50 pm, wrote:
: See:
:


:http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Russ...t_One_999.html





:
: Nice plans, but can they be carried out?
:
:
:Why not?
:
:Russia has billions and billions of EUROS worth of oil and gas.
:


If mere money would do it, Saudi Arabia would have a huge carrier
aviation organization.


They don't.


The United States, with a stronger economy and much more experience in
carrier aviation didn't build at anything near the rate the Russians
claim they want to.


What reason is there to believe they can do it?


I guess you didn't notice what they did in WW II.


Thousands of tanks.


Hundreds of thousands of sub-machine guns.


Ammo.


and all while under attack.


ships require a bit more infrustructure than tanks or submachine guns.
any locomotive ot truck factory can make a tank and they can be located
anywhere
a shipyard has to be in a spot with deep water access.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -



Now you're trying to tell us that Russia has NO shipyards and no deep
water ports.

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Old November 19th 07, 10:09 AM posted to sci.military.naval, rec.aviation.military.naval
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Default Russian Carrier Plans Part One

On Nov 17, 8:38 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
"Mr.Smartypants" wrote:

:On Nov 17, 7:09 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:: "Mr.Smartypants" wrote:

:
: :On Nov 16, 9:50 pm, wrote:
: : See:
: :
: :http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Russ...t_One_999.html
: :
: : Nice plans, but can they be carried out?
: :
: :
: :Why not?
: :
: :Russia has billions and billions of EUROS worth of oil and gas.
: :
:
: If mere money would do it, Saudi Arabia would have a huge carrier
: aviation organization.
:
: They don't.
:
: The United States, with a stronger economy and much more experience in
: carrier aviation didn't build at anything near the rate the Russians
: claim they want to.
:
: What reason is there to believe they can do it?
:
:
:I guess you didn't notice what they did in WW II.
:
:Thousands of tanks.
:
:Hundreds of thousands of sub-machine guns.
:
:Ammo.
:
:and all while under attack.
:

I guess you don't know the difference between manufacturing bullets
and building carrier strike groups.



I guess you believe that the Soviets never had any kind of navy and
now Russia is venturing into naval shipbuilding for the very first
time EVER!!








--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson


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Old November 19th 07, 10:21 AM posted to sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Fred J. McCall
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Posts: 107
Default Russian Carrier Plans Part One

"Mr.Smartypants" wrote:

:On Nov 17, 8:38 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
: "Mr.Smartypants" wrote:
:
: :On Nov 17, 7:09 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:: "Mr.Smartypants" wrote:
:
: :
: : :On Nov 16, 9:50 pm, wrote:
: : : See:
: : :
: : :http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Russ...t_One_999.html
: : :
: : : Nice plans, but can they be carried out?
: : :
: : :
: : :Why not?
: : :
: : :Russia has billions and billions of EUROS worth of oil and gas.
: : :
: :
: : If mere money would do it, Saudi Arabia would have a huge carrier
: : aviation organization.
: :
: : They don't.
: :
: : The United States, with a stronger economy and much more experience in
: : carrier aviation didn't build at anything near the rate the Russians
: : claim they want to.
: :
: : What reason is there to believe they can do it?
: :
: :
: :I guess you didn't notice what they did in WW II.
: :
: :Thousands of tanks.
: :
: :Hundreds of thousands of sub-machine guns.
: :
: :Ammo.
: :
: :and all while under attack.
: :
:
: I guess you don't know the difference between manufacturing bullets
: and building carrier strike groups.
:
:
:I guess you believe that the Soviets never had any kind of navy and
:now Russia is venturing into naval shipbuilding for the very first
:time EVER!!
:

I guess you're just a stupid troll who is unable to correct his own
ignorance and so has to engage in stupid strawman arguments, as above.

Hint: I know more about the Soviet Navy and Soviet shipbuilding than
you ever will.

Hint: There's a big difference between 'naval shipbuilding' and
suddenly building and operating a bunch of carrier battle groups.

Hint: The United States, with a bigger shipbuilding establishment,
more money, and a long history of carrier aviation and everything
associated with it, NEVER build at the rate the Russians claim they
are going to sustain.

Hint: The Russians talk about a lot of things. They actually do very
few of them. Just think of it as a modern version of Potemkin
Villages.

plonk


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