Thin parachute for sale?

Anyone have a thin parachute they would like to sell?

There are a couple of parachutes for sale on glidersource.com
http://glidersource.com/cgi-bin/post...type=Equipment
not sure how thin they are, but you can contact the seller and ask.

I have a Pioneer Thin Pack that was manufactured in 1974. Last repack was
March of 2011. Rigger's comment was "Excellent condition". Works great in
a glider with deep seating, but in my LAK-17a, it causes me to sit too high.
I'm looking to swap for a back pack type 'chute.


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There are a couple of parachutes for sale on glidersource.com
http://glidersource.com/cgi-bin/post...type=Equipment
not sure how thin they are, but you can contact the seller and ask.

On Nov 14, 8:46*am, "Dan Marotta" wrote:
I have a Pioneer Thin Pack that was manufactured in 1974. *Last repack was
March of 2011. *Rigger's comment was "Excellent condition". *Works great in
a glider with deep seating, but in my LAK-17a, it causes me to sit too high.
I'm looking to swap for a back pack type 'chute.

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Seating too high would be a problem for me too, as I'm purchasing a
Discus A.

Thank, Ryan







There are a couple of parachutes for sale on glidersource.com
http://glidersource.com/cgi-bin/post...type=Equipment
not sure how thin they are, but you can contact the seller and ask.

aside from being too old for many certified riggers to offer to I&R this
parachute the Pioneer parachutes also had a number of AD's against them.make
sure whoever is inspecting and repacking this parachute not only reads the
manual for repacking but also checks to see if the canopy is even
airworthy....I'd be curious to know if this Pioneer parachute from this
vintage.
Tim

"Dan Marotta" wrote in message
...
I have a Pioneer Thin Pack that was manufactured in 1974. Last repack was
March of 2011. Rigger's comment was "Excellent condition". Works great in
a glider with deep seating, but in my LAK-17a, it causes me to sit too
high. I'm looking to swap for a back pack type 'chute.


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There are a couple of parachutes for sale on glidersource.com
http://glidersource.com/cgi-bin/post...type=Equipment
not sure how thin they are, but you can contact the seller and ask.


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Well, it's in the glider at Moriarty so I can't check now, but I recall the
inspection record packed in the pouch of the harness indicates it was
manufactured in 1977. The canopy is black and gold with white mesh in the
back to give forward motion. It has also been modified with steering
toggles. The times I witnessed inspection, the rigger did a very thorough
inspection, including rip and puncture tests (both passed) and referred to
the manual.

The age of the equipment is totally irrelevant as long as it passes
inspection. I have very little respect for those who refuse to certify
equipment out of fear of liability (when no regulations are violated) or
because they want to sell new equipment. Would you refuse to fly a 37 year
old aircraft? I've flown aircraft older than me and I'm almost 64 years
old.


"Tim Mara" wrote in message
...
aside from being too old for many certified riggers to offer to I&R this
parachute the Pioneer parachutes also had a number of AD's against
them.make sure whoever is inspecting and repacking this parachute not only
reads the manual for repacking but also checks to see if the canopy is
even airworthy....I'd be curious to know if this Pioneer parachute from
this vintage.
Tim

"Dan Marotta" wrote in message
...
I have a Pioneer Thin Pack that was manufactured in 1974. Last repack was
March of 2011. Rigger's comment was "Excellent condition". Works great
in a glider with deep seating, but in my LAK-17a, it causes me to sit too
high. I'm looking to swap for a back pack type 'chute.


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There are a couple of parachutes for sale on glidersource.com
http://glidersource.com/cgi-bin/post...type=Equipment
not sure how thin they are, but you can contact the seller and ask.


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I'd have a lot less respect for any rigger who reads the manual, does a pull
test and then signs off on the parachute without checking for the associated
AD notes on the parachute he just packed for someone else to use!
tim

"Dan Marotta" wrote in message
...
Well, it's in the glider at Moriarty so I can't check now, but I recall
the inspection record packed in the pouch of the harness indicates it was
manufactured in 1977. The canopy is black and gold with white mesh in the
back to give forward motion. It has also been modified with steering
toggles. The times I witnessed inspection, the rigger did a very thorough
inspection, including rip and puncture tests (both passed) and referred to
the manual.

The age of the equipment is totally irrelevant as long as it passes
inspection. I have very little respect for those who refuse to certify
equipment out of fear of liability (when no regulations are violated) or
because they want to sell new equipment. Would you refuse to fly a 37
year old aircraft? I've flown aircraft older than me and I'm almost 64
years old.


"Tim Mara" wrote in message
...
aside from being too old for many certified riggers to offer to I&R this
parachute the Pioneer parachutes also had a number of AD's against
them.make sure whoever is inspecting and repacking this parachute not
only reads the manual for repacking but also checks to see if the canopy
is even airworthy....I'd be curious to know if this Pioneer parachute
from this vintage.
Tim

"Dan Marotta" wrote in message
...
I have a Pioneer Thin Pack that was manufactured in 1974. Last repack
was March of 2011. Rigger's comment was "Excellent condition". Works
great in a glider with deep seating, but in my LAK-17a, it causes me to
sit too high. I'm looking to swap for a back pack type 'chute.


"Bill Palmer" wrote in message
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There are a couple of parachutes for sale on glidersource.com
http://glidersource.com/cgi-bin/post...type=Equipment
not sure how thin they are, but you can contact the seller and ask.


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Well, then, to reply directly to the AD issue: Yes, the equipment has been
checked and all ADs complied with.

I was just talking with the local FSDO about a program letter for my
experimental glider and brought up this discussion. The official position
is that THERE IS NO AGE LIMIT on parachutes. Inspection would include an AD
search.

"Tim Mara" wrote in message
...
I'd have a lot less respect for any rigger who reads the manual, does a
pull test and then signs off on the parachute without checking for the
associated AD notes on the parachute he just packed for someone else to
use!
tim

"Dan Marotta" wrote in message
...
Well, it's in the glider at Moriarty so I can't check now, but I recall
the inspection record packed in the pouch of the harness indicates it was
manufactured in 1977. The canopy is black and gold with white mesh in
the back to give forward motion. It has also been modified with steering
toggles. The times I witnessed inspection, the rigger did a very
thorough inspection, including rip and puncture tests (both passed) and
referred to the manual.

The age of the equipment is totally irrelevant as long as it passes
inspection. I have very little respect for those who refuse to certify
equipment out of fear of liability (when no regulations are violated) or
because they want to sell new equipment. Would you refuse to fly a 37
year old aircraft? I've flown aircraft older than me and I'm almost 64
years old.


"Tim Mara" wrote in message
...
aside from being too old for many certified riggers to offer to I&R this
parachute the Pioneer parachutes also had a number of AD's against
them.make sure whoever is inspecting and repacking this parachute not
only reads the manual for repacking but also checks to see if the canopy
is even airworthy....I'd be curious to know if this Pioneer parachute
from this vintage.
Tim

"Dan Marotta" wrote in message
...
I have a Pioneer Thin Pack that was manufactured in 1974. Last repack
was March of 2011. Rigger's comment was "Excellent condition". Works
great in a glider with deep seating, but in my LAK-17a, it causes me to
sit too high. I'm looking to swap for a back pack type 'chute.


"Bill Palmer" wrote in message
news:10874055.426.1321258684869.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prmf13...
There are a couple of parachutes for sale on glidersource.com
http://glidersource.com/cgi-bin/post...type=Equipment
not sure how thin they are, but you can contact the seller and ask.


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I never suggested that there was a "mandatory life limit" imposed by the FAA
""In the USA"" Many other countries do have more restrictive age limits on
emergency parachutes though. It is common that parachute riggers and members
of the Parachute Riggers Association
http://www.uspa.org/FindaDZ/GroupMem...1/Default.aspx
generally do not recommend and many will not I&R parachutes over 20 years
old (these are not necessarily the parachute manufacturers but those in the
field who are certified to do I&R of emergency parachutes and are liable
should they do inspections without fully complying with the rules.
there is at least one AD on Pioneer parachutes that you may want to check
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory... ndSection=-3
this is a mandatory AD.
tim


"Dan Marotta" wrote in message
...
Well, then, to reply directly to the AD issue: Yes, the equipment has
been checked and all ADs complied with.

I was just talking with the local FSDO about a program letter for my
experimental glider and brought up this discussion. The official position
is that THERE IS NO AGE LIMIT on parachutes. Inspection would include an
AD search.

"Tim Mara" wrote in message
...
I'd have a lot less respect for any rigger who reads the manual, does a
pull test and then signs off on the parachute without checking for the
associated AD notes on the parachute he just packed for someone else to
use!
tim

"Dan Marotta" wrote in message
...
Well, it's in the glider at Moriarty so I can't check now, but I recall
the inspection record packed in the pouch of the harness indicates it
was manufactured in 1977. The canopy is black and gold with white mesh
in the back to give forward motion. It has also been modified with
steering toggles. The times I witnessed inspection, the rigger did a
very thorough inspection, including rip and puncture tests (both passed)
and referred to the manual.

The age of the equipment is totally irrelevant as long as it passes
inspection. I have very little respect for those who refuse to certify
equipment out of fear of liability (when no regulations are violated) or
because they want to sell new equipment. Would you refuse to fly a 37
year old aircraft? I've flown aircraft older than me and I'm almost 64
years old.


"Tim Mara" wrote in message
...
aside from being too old for many certified riggers to offer to I&R
this parachute the Pioneer parachutes also had a number of AD's against
them.make sure whoever is inspecting and repacking this parachute not
only reads the manual for repacking but also checks to see if the
canopy is even airworthy....I'd be curious to know if this Pioneer
parachute from this vintage.
Tim

"Dan Marotta" wrote in message
...
I have a Pioneer Thin Pack that was manufactured in 1974. Last repack
was March of 2011. Rigger's comment was "Excellent condition". Works
great in a glider with deep seating, but in my LAK-17a, it causes me to
sit too high. I'm looking to swap for a back pack type 'chute.


"Bill Palmer" wrote in message
news:10874055.426.1321258684869.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prmf13...
There are a couple of parachutes for sale on glidersource.com
http://glidersource.com/cgi-bin/post...type=Equipment
not sure how thin they are, but you can contact the seller and ask.


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My parachute is not affected by this AD, but I thank you for pointing it out
nonetheless.

My complaint is about the licensed rigger, who should follow all regulations
and procedures, arbitrarily refusing to inspect equipment based the age of
the equipment when there is no regulatory reason to do so. If the equipment
fails inspection, it should be repaired or condemned, and I would not
complain about that. Someone afraid of liability issues, when he follows
all the rules and procedures, deserves no respect from me.

My rigger during the 90s (retired FAA) told me that I could inspect and pack
my own parachute under the supervision of a master rigger and, after logging
20 inspections, IIRC, I could then inspect and pack my own parachute. Kinda
like a repairman certificate on a homebuilt aircraft. Sometimes I wish I'd
done that but I'd rather have an impartial inspector who will give me an
honest evaluation of my 'chute.


"Tim Mara" wrote in message
...
I never suggested that there was a "mandatory life limit" imposed by the
FAA ""In the USA"" Many other countries do have more restrictive age limits
on emergency parachutes though. It is common that parachute riggers and
members of the Parachute Riggers Association
http://www.uspa.org/FindaDZ/GroupMem...1/Default.aspx
generally do not recommend and many will not I&R parachutes over 20 years
old (these are not necessarily the parachute manufacturers but those in the
field who are certified to do I&R of emergency parachutes and are liable
should they do inspections without fully complying with the rules.
there is at least one AD on Pioneer parachutes that you may want to check
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory... ndSection=-3
this is a mandatory AD.
tim


"Dan Marotta" wrote in message
...
Well, then, to reply directly to the AD issue: Yes, the equipment has
been checked and all ADs complied with.

I was just talking with the local FSDO about a program letter for my
experimental glider and brought up this discussion. The official
position is that THERE IS NO AGE LIMIT on parachutes. Inspection would
include an AD search.

"Tim Mara" wrote in message
...
I'd have a lot less respect for any rigger who reads the manual, does a
pull test and then signs off on the parachute without checking for the
associated AD notes on the parachute he just packed for someone else to
use!
tim

"Dan Marotta" wrote in message
...
Well, it's in the glider at Moriarty so I can't check now, but I recall
the inspection record packed in the pouch of the harness indicates it
was manufactured in 1977. The canopy is black and gold with white mesh
in the back to give forward motion. It has also been modified with
steering toggles. The times I witnessed inspection, the rigger did a
very thorough inspection, including rip and puncture tests (both
passed) and referred to the manual.

The age of the equipment is totally irrelevant as long as it passes
inspection. I have very little respect for those who refuse to certify
equipment out of fear of liability (when no regulations are violated)
or because they want to sell new equipment. Would you refuse to fly a
37 year old aircraft? I've flown aircraft older than me and I'm almost
64 years old.


"Tim Mara" wrote in message
...
aside from being too old for many certified riggers to offer to I&R
this parachute the Pioneer parachutes also had a number of AD's
against them.make sure whoever is inspecting and repacking this
parachute not only reads the manual for repacking but also checks to
see if the canopy is even airworthy....I'd be curious to know if this
Pioneer parachute from this vintage.
Tim

"Dan Marotta" wrote in message
...
I have a Pioneer Thin Pack that was manufactured in 1974. Last repack
was March of 2011. Rigger's comment was "Excellent condition". Works
great in a glider with deep seating, but in my LAK-17a, it causes me
to sit too high. I'm looking to swap for a back pack type 'chute.


"Bill Palmer" wrote in message
news:10874055.426.1321258684869.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prmf13...
There are a couple of parachutes for sale on glidersource.com
http://glidersource.com/cgi-bin/post...type=Equipment
not sure how thin they are, but you can contact the seller and ask.


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