Navy Wings?

Saw a B/G Marine with what appeared to be Navy Pilot Wings on his tunic on
C-SPAN.

But these were different, they had a Star in the middle, looked very similar
to the U.S. Air Force Senior Pilot wings.

Have they gone to this approach, with Command Pilot also?

Or where these some sort of other Aeronautical Speciality?

"were" not "where"! :-)
"nmg175" wrote in message
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Saw a B/G Marine with what appeared to be Navy Pilot Wings on his tunic on
C-SPAN.

But these were different, they had a Star in the middle, looked very
similar to the U.S. Air Force Senior Pilot wings.

Have they gone to this approach, with Command Pilot also?

Or where these some sort of other Aeronautical Speciality?

During the Vietnam era a number of USMC flight students went through the USAF pilot training pipeline as an expediency. Thus it would not be surprising to hear of a serving General officer still sporting Wings of Lead, especially if his later flying career (C-130s, for example) never took him in the vicinity of El Boat or required him to carqual.

If they were gold, the "star" may in fact have been a deployed parachute, i.e., Naval Parachutist.

--
Mike Kanze

"There's a fine line between evil and underpaid."

- Carol The Secretary, Dilbert (1/14/2007)

"nmg175" wrote in message . ..
Saw a B/G Marine with what appeared to be Navy Pilot Wings on his tunic on
C-SPAN.

But these were different, they had a Star in the middle, looked very similar
to the U.S. Air Force Senior Pilot wings.

Have they gone to this approach, with Command Pilot also?

Or where these some sort of other Aeronautical Speciality?

Mike Kanze wrote:
During the Vietnam era a number of USMC flight students went through the USAF pilot training pipeline as an expediency. Thus it would not be surprising to hear of a serving General officer still sporting Wings of Lead, especially if his later flying career (C-130s, for example) never took him in the vicinity of El Boat or required him to carqual.

BUT if they went on to fly in the USMC, they would have had gold wings,
not USAF wings, even if they didn't go to the boat..I'm guessing it was
Naval Parachutist wings...get USA jump wings, do 5 more jumps, get USN
jump wings.

If they were gold, the "star" may in fact have been a deployed parachute, i.e., Naval Parachutist.

--
Mike Kanze

"There's a fine line between evil and underpaid."

- Carol The Secretary, Dilbert (1/14/2007)

"nmg175" wrote in message . ..
Saw a B/G Marine with what appeared to be Navy Pilot Wings on his tunic on
C-SPAN.

But these were different, they had a Star in the middle, looked very similar
to the U.S. Air Force Senior Pilot wings.

Have they gone to this approach, with Command Pilot also?

Or where these some sort of other Aeronautical Speciality?


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BUT if they went on to fly in the USMC, they would have had gold wings

Not necessarily.

Nearly all of the JOs in VMA(AW)-224 sported Wings of Lead when that outfit deployed with CVW-15 / USS CORAL SEA during 1972. Only the senior leadership of 224 were carqualed (i.e., Wings of Gold) and none of these folks had seen a rounddown since the training command.

However, I suspect the JOs all earned their Wings of Gold during that cruise, on the basis of OJT if nothing else.

This was the first time the Marines had ever taken the A-6 aboard the boat, having previously operated it ashore in expeditionary mode. 224 went through a carqual syllabus as part of its pre-cruise workup which could only be described as "colorful," with the LEX's skipper effectively banishing them from his flight deck.

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- Carol The Secretary, Dilbert (1/14/2007)

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Mike Kanze wrote:
During the Vietnam era a number of USMC flight students went through the USAF pilot training pipeline as an expediency. Thus it would not be surprising to hear of a serving General officer still sporting Wings of Lead, especially if his later flying career (C-130s, for example) never took him in the vicinity of El Boat or required him to carqual.

BUT if they went on to fly in the USMC, they would have had gold wings,
not USAF wings, even if they didn't go to the boat..I'm guessing it was
Naval Parachutist wings...get USA jump wings, do 5 more jumps, get USN
jump wings.

If they were gold, the "star" may in fact have been a deployed parachute, i.e., Naval Parachutist.

--
Mike Kanze

"There's a fine line between evil and underpaid."

- Carol The Secretary, Dilbert (1/14/2007)

"nmg175" wrote in message . ..
Saw a B/G Marine with what appeared to be Navy Pilot Wings on his tunic on
C-SPAN.

But these were different, they had a Star in the middle, looked very similar
to the U.S. Air Force Senior Pilot wings.

Have they gone to this approach, with Command Pilot also?

Or where these some sort of other Aeronautical Speciality?


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Mike Kanze wrote:
During the Vietnam era a number of USMC flight students went through the USAF pilot training pipeline as an expediency. Thus it would not be surprising to hear of a serving General officer still sporting Wings of Lead, especially if his later flying career (C-130s, for example) never took him in the vicinity of El Boat or required him to carqual.

BUT if they went on to fly in the USMC, they would have had gold wings,
not USAF wings, even if they didn't go to the boat....

The got gold wings wihout CQing?

I'm guessing it was Naval Parachutist wings...

This gets more bewildering by the minute. What do Parachutist wings
have to do with being a Naval Aviator?

vince norris

vincent p. norris wrote:
Mike Kanze wrote:
During the Vietnam era a number of USMC flight students went through the USAF pilot training pipeline as an expediency. Thus it would not be surprising to hear of a serving General officer still sporting Wings of Lead, especially if his later flying career (C-130s, for example) never took him in the vicinity of El Boat or required him to carqual.

BUT if they went on to fly in the USMC, they would have had gold wings,
not USAF wings, even if they didn't go to the boat....

The got gold wings wihout CQing?

I'm guessing it was Naval Parachutist wings...

This gets more bewildering by the minute. What do Parachutist wings
have to do with being a Naval Aviator?

vince norris

I knew guys that flew the C-130 in the USMC, that never went thru USN
training of any sort and a few that started USN training, T-34, T-28,
NO CQ, then off to helos or trash haulers. Not all USMC students when I
was in the TRACOM(1973-1974) went to the boat.

But the OP said he saw some gold wings on some general USMC officer on
TV with what looked like not a shield/anchor on his gold wings..some
'postulated' that they might be USN master jump wings is all.

vincent p. norris wrote:

This gets more bewildering by the minute. What do Parachutist wings
have to do with being a Naval Aviator?


Probably nothing, but the original poster was asking about something he
saw in an news bite that looked a little odd. If one were to take a
look at the photos posted of all those USMC BGs you can see who is
qualified as what. Just out of curiosity I did so and saw no unusual
wings or devices, and none with stars attached to or above their
qualification device. Of 52 BGs, 15 are Naval Aviators. Two Naval
Aviators are also wear wings Naval Parachutists and two others for
Basic Parachutists. Two of the 52 are Naval Flight Officers. Eight
are Naval Parachutists (making a total of 10 so qualified) and four of
them are also Scuba Divers. Another five are Basic Parachutists
(making a total of 7 so qualified). The remaining 22 do not display
wings of any kind nor diver's helmet badges.

Rich

vincent p. norris wrote:

This gets more bewildering by the minute. What do Parachutist wings
have to do with being a Naval Aviator?

Gold Navy Parachutist wings look similar to Aviator wings, to the average
non-military person. An enlisted Marine may well be a qualified
parachutist. An unscrupulous one may try to pass them off as Aviator
wings...

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:25:51 -0500, vincent p. norris
wrote:

The got gold wings wihout CQing?

Absolutely! Anyone who completes the Naval Aviation Training Command
syllabus for their pipeline gets gold wings, regardless of whether
they carrier qualified or not. The best example is the prop pipline
which ceased CARQUALing all SNA's in the mid-70's. Only those with
orders to the E-2/C-2 go through the CARQUAL syllabus.

The better answer for the original post is that it is probaby
astronaut wings. I believe there is one USMC flag office that was on a
shuttle team. Don't recall who or whether they were pilot or mission
specialist.

USN Astronaut wings are gold and the center device could look like a
star with the right lighting and camera angle.

John Alger USN(ret)
1972-1997 // 1310,1320
TA-4J, A-7E, EC-130Q, P-3B