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First Solo and Total Hours Flown
On 2006-12-01 12:41:06 -0700, "Patrick" said:
I dont know why it would take over 30 hours to solo, and some as many as 70? I soloed at 14 hours, but I hear the average is 20. Then you aren't paying attention. How stupid and/or annoying. Instructors are a huge part of successful flight training. I was about 40 hours at solo time, and on my third instructor. I'm now a commercial inst/multi rated pilot approaching 500 hours. The number of hours it takes you is specific to you, and no one else. Averaging hours it takes to solo and inviting a comparison to the pilot's skill is like averaging breast size and making an inference about a woman's intelligence based on it. |
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First Solo and Total Hours Flown
On 2006-11-30 19:31:42 -0700, Bob Noel
said: In article , "Peter Duniho" wrote: As you correctly point out, the bulk of being a pilot has to do with judgment and factual knowledge, rather than motor skills (especially with current aircraft design...this wasn't always true, IMHO). And frankly, not everyone is capable of exercising the judgment, nor of learning the factual knowledge, required to be a pilot. A coworker was at something like 30 hours before she broke off her training. She just couldn't get the hang of landing the airplane. She still wants to fly, and will likely try again sometime in the future. Though I'm not a CFI, I still want to say that I don't think her problem is judgement or motor skills (unless somehow she is different in the airplane than on the ground). When she starts her training again and gets to solo will be a treat. I agree. Her problem is she needs a good instructor if her only issue was not getting a feeling for landings. I didn't solo til 40 hours (was about 2 years ago now) and that was my exact issue, landings freaked my beak and the instructor(s) didn't care or know enough to help. At almost 500 hours now and commercial multi rated I've decided to do AOPA's Project Pilot to help people avoid some of the issues I had with learning to fly. I feel that poor quality of instruction stifles more potential pilots than anything. |
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First Solo and Total Hours Flown
On 2006-11-30 19:26:38 -0700, "karl gruber" said:
If someone said they took 75 hours for solo, I will start by first asking questions about their instructor. I'd start asking questions about their therapist. 75 hours is a waste of everyone's time. Some people just don't cut it. Easy to blame the instructor, but that's just trying rationalize their own lack of ability. Karl Karl makes a stupid generalized statement. Instructors have more influence over student success than you realize Karl. |
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First Solo and Total Hours Flown
On 2006-11-30 12:37:17 -0700, "george" said:
Greengears wrote: Every pilot out there will never forget their first Solo. But there has always been this nagging questions as to should there be a minimum amount of hours flown before a pilot can be allowed to Solo. I have seen pilots solo in as little as 9 hours and as high as 75 hours. I know most of you will say that it should vary from pilot to pilot. But should there be a minimum amount of hours flown? It should be left to the discretion of the instructor, I soloed under 5 hours and know of others who were sent off at 3 hours... If any-one takes more than 20 hours to solo they should take another look at becoming a pilot.. IMHO Wrong. |
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First Solo and Total Hours Flown
Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Regarding the WW2 pilot almost 4 hour solo... I'm not judging your piloting skills... the point of a minimum time in my honest oppinion to to give a person familiarity with his/her surroundings (like when you first drove a car and needed some time to figure things out), you (I'm assuming you're the fighter pilot) was brilliant at military airfield procedures, but probably (if you were at a slightly busy airport) would have benefited a bit from familiarity with what is going on around you. PLEASE do not confuse familiarity with ability. And if you are already familier, why would you need more hours logged? Again. WHY? Is there a REAL problem with premature solo's that you are aware of? Or is this just "What if a flight instructor doesn't do his/her job?" speculation? -- Geoff The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate. Military operations verus civilian operations... kind of different. Frankly... the solo should be the last thing any student is thinking of... it should take place after a person is familiar with flight and is able to safely conduct it. |
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First Solo and Total Hours Flown
Peter Duniho schrieb:
But it disproves your claim that I made a definition. It does no such thing. Yes, it does. I am so arrogant to claim that I have yet to meet somebody who lacks discipline when doing something he's really interested in. That has nothing to do with your reply to MY comment about people who DO have interest not having the necessary discipline. My point was that those people obviously don't have enough interest, even if they themselves think so. Shall we continue to talk in a circle or just stop here? Stefan |
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First Solo and Total Hours Flown
Karl makes a stupid generalized statement. Instructors have more influence over student success than you realize Karl. It can't be a generalized statement because the "general" student solos after vastly fewer hours. They should be aggressively weeded out way before 70 hr. Again, not everyone is cut out to be a pilot. And a beginner, like you at 500 hrs, has little experience to back up your statements. How many students have YOU soloed? Karl |
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First Solo and Total Hours Flown
"Stefan" wrote in message
. .. But it disproves your claim that I made a definition. It does no such thing. Yes, it does. No, it does not. Quoting one piece of text has nothing to do with whether something else you wrote does something else. That has nothing to do with your reply to MY comment about people who DO have interest not having the necessary discipline. My point was that those people obviously don't have enough interest, even if they themselves think so. The only people you are qualified to comment on are those people with whom you have personal experience. And in fact, by your own admission, those are the only people to whom you refer. Commenting on those people has absolutely no relevance to the more general statement I made, nor does it in any refute it. Shall we continue to talk in a circle or just stop here? If the best you can manage is simple contradiction, I'd say the sooner you give up, the better. Your call. Pete |
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First Solo and Total Hours Flown
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ups.com... When I learned to fly I had a finite amount of money that could be devoted to the endeavor, setting in an account that I set up specifically for the purpose of learning to fly. When that money was gone, I knew my training would be finished -- certificate or not. I had two little kids, a house, and a wife working part-time so that she could raise our kids. There was NO margin for error. I had a certain amount set aside to get me started too, the plan being that whilst I was working through he initial amount, I could be saving for the rest. Unfortunately, just before I was about to start, I had to spend almost 60% of the allocated funds on replacing my car. This meant I burned through my remaining allocation VERY quickly. I'm now at 6.5 hours, and am now forced to have 30 minute lessons once a week. I started with 1 hour lessons once a week. My instructor said that once things 'clicked' with me, which it did for me at around 3 hours, I could space out the lessons a bit more if my funds required it, and that I shouldn't go backwards. She was right. Half an hour a week sees me do 3 to 4 circuits, and no sign of 'unlearning' anything from the previous week. If the weather is bad on the weekend I'm flying, I just do a full hour the next week. If I need an hour to learn a particular aspect, she'll tell me, and I'll skip a week to allow the funds to cover a full hour. I reakon I'll be solo next week too if the conditions are right and I don't have to post pone to the following weekend. Oz Lander |
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