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Do you allow landings on short fields?
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Sylvain wrote: John Clear wrote: If this is the club I'm thinking of, they're also know for having rules for just about everything. Looks an awful lot like a club I know which operates from a 2443 x 70 ft runway :-) I am pretty sure -- but then I left quite a while ago for saner pastures -- they have a checkout procedure -- and currency requirements -- for the use of the bathroom... the funny thing though is that all these rules don't seem to do much good to their safety record, but I digress. --Sylvain It also sounds like a club that had a "spot the maintenance flaws" contest one day, several years ago. They rigged a Cessna 152 with about 20 deliberate maintenance flaws and conducted a test for their members to spot the flaws on a preflight. A good friend of mine, who instructed there, and had had a set of major problems with a homebuilt he had bought, entered the contest and proceeded to find not only all the flaws on the contest list, but numerous "extra credit" flaws not on the list. Needless to say, the maintenance chief received a major "wirebrushing" as a result. |
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Do you allow landings on short fields?
John,
I was flying the pattern at Palo Alto (PAO) Wonder why you just happen mention THAT airport ;-) -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Sylvain,
Looks an awful lot like a club I know which operates from a 2443 x 70 ft runway :-) Looks an awful lot like a club I tried to rent from as a walk-in. I was lucky no one got a heart attack when I asked. They were a little too German about this whole club thing for my taste ;-) -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Do you allow landings on short fields?
"Roy Smith" wrote in message ... My club recently had an airplane damaged in an overrun on a 2200 foot runway. This is the third such incident in the last 5 or so years (two of which resulted in serious aircraft damage, but fortunately no injuries). We're considering tightening up our rules about short runways. One possibility would be to outlaw landings on anything under 2500 feet unless you've got a commercial certificate. One AC I know of had both a length and width restriction, 2500 X 50 minimum. This came about after a botched landing on a 2700 X 30 paved strip. I've always considered narrow more of a challenge than short. |
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Do you allow landings on short fields?
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"John Kunkel" wrote: "Roy Smith" wrote in message ... My club recently had an airplane damaged in an overrun on a 2200 foot runway. This is the third such incident in the last 5 or so years (two of which resulted in serious aircraft damage, but fortunately no injuries). We're considering tightening up our rules about short runways. One possibility would be to outlaw landings on anything under 2500 feet unless you've got a commercial certificate. One AC I know of had both a length and width restriction, 2500 X 50 minimum. This came about after a botched landing on a 2700 X 30 paved strip. I've always considered narrow more of a challenge than short. Indeed! When I based at Frazier Lake, we would close the 2500X150 grass runway in the winter, when it was wet and take off and land on the 30' wide paved taxiway. All was fine, if the wind was down the runway, but it got sporting when we had a significnt crosswind (about 40% of thee time). |
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Do you allow landings on short fields?
Michael wrote:
How exactly does a commercial certificate help? In my experience, commercial pilots are NOT better pilots than private pilots with the same number of hours. well, it could be argued that someone who worked towards a commercial ticket has had a lot more recurrent training -- and demonstrated a greater interest in improving his/her knowledge and skills -- than someone who spent the same number of hours making holes in the sky... the number of hours doesn't tell the whole story either. but seriously, one could also wonder how someone who cannot land a small aircraft -- I presume that's what we are talking about -- on a 2000' runway managed to get a private certificate in the first place... I am not really sure how a club/FBO could improve their safety records via just imposing more arbitrary rules that are a pain in the neck to the majority of pilots who would be doing just fine without them; there are 'problem pilots' out there -- I can think of one guy hanging around on my local field who managed to run out of fuel in one incident, do a gear up landing in another, and who knows what else -- and we kind of all know who they are; not much an issue of number of hours or ratings as you point out, but of attitude; not even sure recurrent training would do the trick either... --Sylvain |
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Do you allow landings on short fields?
Orval Fairbairn wrote:
It also sounds like a club that had a "spot the maintenance flaws" contest one day, several years ago. They rigged a Cessna 152 with about 20 deliberate maintenance flaws and conducted a test for their members to spot the flaws on a preflight. hey, that's actually a great idea, though one should be *really* careful in making sure all the flaws introduced for the contest are removed at the end of the day :-) Another way to learn more about preflight check: the mechanics who does the maintenance of our CAP aircraft gave us a walk around of said aircraft one evening, what he looks for when he -- a mechanics -- does a preflight, etc. that was also most educational. Too bad that the only interaction most pilots -- I am talking renters here, I presume that owners would be more involved -- have with the nice folks who maintain our aircraft is via the squawk list... --Sylvain |
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Do you allow landings on short fields?
"Sylvain" wrote in message t... Orval Fairbairn wrote: *snip* Too bad that the only interaction most pilots -- I am talking renters here, I presume that owners would be more involved -- have with the nice folks who maintain our aircraft is via the squawk list... --Sylvain I would love to be able to go with the owner when they take a plane in for annual and see part of the inspection process of the rental aircraft. It's one of those things you get very little exposure to unless you are lucky enough to own. Mike |
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