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Sky High Av gas **** you off?
On Jun 2, 1:55 pm, wrote:
SOS wrote: Robert M. Gary wrote: On Jun 2, 6:36 am, SOS wrote: [Bobbit-ized] In between rants, look up the terms "light sweet crude", "OPEC", and "EPA". But there's only 24 hours in a day... where WILL he find the time? Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Sky High Av gas **** you off?
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:50:55 -0400, "Birdog" wrote in
: Being stupid is a good alternative if you don't want to bother to actually learn the facts. As is being an environmentalist. Catering to environmentalists may be more financially rewarding than it is political. I look for photo voltaics to be the next dot-com investment vogue. It sure seems to be working for this enterprising fellow: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006...as_richest.php China’s Richest Man: A Solar Magnate by Alex Pasternack, Beijing, China on 11.14.06 Last month, we reported that China’s (and the world’s) richest woman built her wealth on recycling. In another sign of the country’s shift from red to green, its wealthiest man (by some estimates) is making a windfall on solar energy. While Shi Zhengrong, the founder and CEO of Wuxi-based Suntech Power, is known as the richest man on the mainland or just China’s wealthiest energy magnate, his Australian citizenship means he cannot hold the title of the richest Chinese man according to Forbes (that just went to Huang Guangyu, an electronics entrepreneur). But that's a technicality, and who’s counting anyway? What counts more are the waves Shi’s making in China. Since 2005, when Shi’s Suntech became the first hi-tech Chinese company to make an initial public offering on the New York Stock Exchange, on the strength of his business savvy and commitment to innovation, the company’s revenue has zoomed to $226 million last year from just $14 million in 2003 (it’s made $218 million so far this year). These days, analysts count Suntech as one of the world’s top ten producers of photo-voltaic (PV) cells, with a new U.S. subsidiary and a dramatic cost advantage: its high-efficiency solar modules go for $3.78 a watt, well below the average global market price of $4.30. Shi’s story is a nice healthy reminder for China and everyone else of the link between green innovation and green backs, and proof of how fast solar energy is bounding out from the fringes and into the sunlight. Currently, most of Suntech’s solar cells are sent to the global solar market, where demand has reached 5 gigawatts (the world can only supply enough silicon to supply between 2.2 and 2.4 gigawatts currently). But Suntech is making over half of China’s solar panels, which are sometimes the only feasible energy option ... http://www.suntech-power.com/ http://www.suntech-power.com/product...rystalline.php http://www.suntech-power.com/product...erformance.php Cost Performance On average around the world, sunlight delivers a barrel of oil of energy on every square meter of land every year. At $100 a barrel, a 100m2 roof is receiving $10,000/yr of energy - a quarter of a million dollars over 25 years. With photovoltaic systems we can convert up to 20% of this raw energy directly into electricity. Unlike traditional power sources whose economics depends on the ever changing price of fuel, solar energy systems come with a 25 year guaranteed free fuel supply direct from the Sun. While electricity prices are increasing all around the world, once you have invested in a solar system you will have little or no additional costs to pay. Our building integrated (BIPV) modules are unique building materials that generate revenue. When compared to other high quality glazing and cladding materials, a BIPV system is extremely reasonable. Many other glazing options can be comparable in cost, while materials such as granite and marble are more expensive (and produce no income stream!). |
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Sky High Av gas **** you off?
NW_Pilot wrote:
Bush already slipped he and now the news refers to.... Our Centeral Bank? Centeral Banks are Bad!!! The Fed has always been considered a "Central Bank" and there is nothing bad about them. They are pretty much required in any economy large enough to matter. |
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Sky High Av gas **** you off?
NW_Pilot wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message ... On Jun 2, 10:31 am, SOS wrote: I can't see how shipping a product 8000 miles is better than shipping that same product 300 miles. I just don't get it. Tell me? How many choices do your REALLY have for gas and energy?? A little knowledge is dangerous apparently. A couple things you are not considering. First, the price for oil today is affected by the futures contracts that are outstanding on it. Second, oil is not oil. There are lots of different types of oil, some is better for different types of gas. Yes, OPEC does affect the price (which sucks) but they don't have total control in the world market. No oil company in the US is rich enough to affect the price of gas, they are price takers, not price setter. I have no idea what you mean by bringing Bush into this. The President does not set the price of oil or gas contracts. -Robert But can sure help make his friends in the middle east money by restricting production, refining, and alternatives! Refer to the 80's with the synthetic fuel exploration and experimentation caused large drop in price. The problems is we have no more refining capacity now than we did in the 80's. |
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Sky High Av gas **** you off?
NW_Pilot wrote:
But can sure help make his friends in the middle east money by restricting production, refining, and alternatives! Refer to the 80's with the synthetic fuel exploration and experimentation caused large drop in price. Well, other than US consumption is a minor factor in the world price, refining has nothing to do with the price of crude and alternatives for crude oil are non-existant, sure. How you explore for synthetic fuel? Break into someone's lab at night? -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Sky High Av gas **** you off?
Larry Dighera wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:50:55 -0400, "Birdog" wrote in : Being stupid is a good alternative if you don't want to bother to actually learn the facts. As is being an environmentalist. Catering to environmentalists may be more financially rewarding than it is political. I look for photo voltaics to be the next dot-com investment vogue. It is only financially rewarding because it was made politically correct to be an environmentalist. "next dot-com investment vogue" you may be right but a lot of folks lost a lot of money when that bubble burst. |
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Sky High Av gas **** you off?
Larry Dighera wrote:
On average around the world, sunlight delivers a barrel of oil of energy on every square meter of land every year. At $100 a barrel, a 100m2 roof is receiving $10,000/yr of energy - a quarter of a million dollars over 25 years. With photovoltaic systems we can convert up to 20% of this raw energy directly into electricity. Electricity has little to nothing to do with oil. This is just apples and oranges arm waving. The other minor problem no one cares to address is that contrary to what most people think, peak electricity demand is typically after sundown. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Sky High Av gas **** you off?
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... Larry Dighera wrote: On average around the world, sunlight delivers a barrel of oil of energy on every square meter of land every year. At $100 a barrel, a 100m2 roof is receiving $10,000/yr of energy - a quarter of a million dollars over 25 years. With photovoltaic systems we can convert up to 20% of this raw energy directly into electricity. Electricity has little to nothing to do with oil. But it could. Homes can be heated with electricity. Vehicles can be propelled with electricity (including GA aircraft - check Boeing's recent announcement) I don't know what size battery is required to hold enough energy to heat a home all winter, but I know they're getting smaller. The Helios used a hydrogen fuel cell to store electricity for night flight. The photo cells powered electrolysis to separate Hydrogen from Water during the day. At night, they passed the Hydrogen through a fuel cell membrane to generate electricity. |
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Sky High Av gas **** you off?
On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:09:25 -0500, Gig 601Xl Builder
wrote in : Larry Dighera wrote: Catering to environmentalists may be more financially rewarding than it is political. I look for photo voltaics to be the next dot-com investment vogue. It is only financially rewarding because it was made politically correct to be an environmentalist. Perhaps. But with the current record market prices for crude oil, you can bet photo voltaics will become a lot more popular and attractive to the general public as solar electricity becomes more competitive with coal/natural gas/oil. While that won't directly relieve the financial burden on pilots, in the long run it could reduce our nation's dependency on petroleum based energy. That's got to be a good thing for US independence from the whims of foreign nations as well as being more environmentally friendly. "next dot-com investment vogue" you may be right but a lot of folks lost a lot of money when that bubble burst. Doesn't that usually occur at the end of most of these popular investment cycles? Personally, I don't see the demand for energy slacking any time soon, so I foresee a much longer investment cycle in the solar and wind power marketplace. |
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