A final yenc thought.

Russell, declaring I'm a loser was uncalled for. Resizing is not the
issue it's the method of posting that this discussion is about. Yenc
posts is a smaller size file eliminating the need use a second program to
resize the file.

You make it so simple, I should use multiple programs but you shouldn't
have to. Where is the logic in that?

The controversy over yenc is the belief that more software is needed to
view a file. That is true if you want to keep your current software and
software that decodes yenc as well. Apparently I didn't make myself
clear, yenc decodes like OE and more.

When I mentioned upgrading I was referring to using software that would
decode picture files across a greater array of file extensions and
transfer techniques than what you may be currently using. I wasn't
implying that "more" software was needed, only that a variety of
software is available which decodes 99% of pictures posted today.

The updated readers (probably a better choice of words) eliminates the
need to have multiple programs. Yenc downloads and decodes picture files
that are not yenc as well.

What I see as the real controversy, is that a declared majority on this
NG are comfortable with their software and don't want to update/upgrade
(you pick) it. I have no argument with that at all. What I was pointing
out, is there comes a time when a newer, more developed technique comes
along.

If you would rather fly a Cessna 152 rather than a Lear Jet because the
152 is simpler to operate then a very respected choice has been made. On
the other hand when certain constraints have been placed on you such as
distance over a given time frame, then the other choice is obviously just
as respectable.

Woody, your solution to yenc posters is just to stick them in the
killfile. Nobody is trying to dictate what you should use. If you don't
want to see my pictures "only" because I post with yenc then you deprive
yourself. I loose no sleep over it.

Ray O'Hara, you made more sense with your reply than anyone else.

why should i add another program? i don't killfile yenc-ers to be rude
but just to remove clutter.

You can't ask for more honesty than that. I just wish others who don't
like yenc would be a bit more tolerant. Others try to make a point with
lying, name calling and being belligerent. That's what irritates me.

why should i waste space on my machine for a program i don't want, and
which forces me to download several posts to a special folder and
combine them just to see one picture?

I too have seen posts where a single jpg picture file gets put in a
folder and can not be decoded unless you do what you mentioned. I agree
100%, they are a pain to view and I simply pass them up. Those files
however, are not expressly yenc.They are simply posted in a manner our
readers are not familiar with.

the truth is , if you want people to see your stuff put it in a format
they will use.

I almost agree with you on that issue. I have a limitation on what I can
post & view each month. The news service is free with my access plan.
Yenc makes it possible to use the service without keeping score. I can't
keep everyone happy.

Personally, I think what irritates non-yenc users the most, is that you
might not always be aware your opening a yenc file. When they realize
what happened it's to late.

its an unmoderated group. so there are no rules, just custom. so feel
free to post in yenc, but also expect to be killfiled by many of us who
don't use it. it's nothing personal,

You're the first person to admit it and I admire your candor, thank you.

I have no problem with others putting me in a killfile. Again, not all
things are for all people.

I'm not a hugh poster. I may only upload a few pictures a week to some
weeks with no pictures. Beware that I will ignore all flames.

Anyone here can email me directly if they want to continue this topic.
Just ask for my email address. I was putting in my four and a half cents
worth as my personal observation. This group needs to post pictures, not
rhetoric. I will not be adding anymore to this thread.

This message was posted with Xnews. No other news reader was killed or
otherwise harmed in the making of this message.

"Clem" wrote in message
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Russell, declaring I'm a loser was uncalled for. Resizing is not the
issue it's the method of posting that this discussion is about. Yenc
posts is a smaller size file eliminating the need use a second program to
resize the file.

if you like yenc then use it. and those of us who don't use it will
killfile you to clean up the message log.
using yenc doesn't make you a bad person and you will not be killfiled
because i think you an asshole, its because i don't want yenc.
i don't need another program. nor do i wish to replace the ones i already
use.
you yenc guys are like moonies trying to spread the word.

face it, if you post the coolest picture ever in yenc, and nobody sees it,
well then its our loss right.

Clem; As you probably have gathered, reason has no place in this newsgroup.
Post as you see fit. Let the anti-yenk(ers) eat bytes.

(Rusty Knuckle) wrote in
. net:

Clem; As you probably have gathered, reason has no place in this
newsgroup. Post as you see fit. Let the anti-yenk(ers) eat bytes.



the group is called alt.BINARIES.PICTURES.aviation and not
alt.NOYENC.pictures.aviation so if it is binaries and pictures of aviation
then post it if those opposed to your binaries can't decode then like I had
to back in the dark ages I found what I needed to decode posts in this or
any other NG. Don't let the fascist anti-yenc gang push you around just put
a header on the post to at least give a clue to what you post

Now we're faciasts.... How adult.....

"Clairbear" wrote in message
...
(Rusty Knuckle) wrote in
. net:

Clem; As you probably have gathered, reason has no place in this
newsgroup. Post as you see fit. Let the anti-yenk(ers) eat bytes.



the group is called alt.BINARIES.PICTURES.aviation and not
alt.NOYENC.pictures.aviation so if it is binaries and pictures of aviation
then post it if those opposed to your binaries can't decode then like I
had
to back in the dark ages I found what I needed to decode posts in this or
any other NG. Don't let the fascist anti-yenc gang push you around just
put
a header on the post to at least give a clue to what you post

Amazing...

Almost 30 words without a coma. Whew and I though my typed punctuation was
bad! Kind of interesting how when I organized the last vote on yEnc I
never forced, bullied or name called those who I disagreed with. Nor for
that matter did I scream or throw fits when I couldn't have my own way...

Before you argue, walk in the others shows first. It will give you a
perspective that strengthens your own arguments in the eyes of others,
teaches you compassion for your opponent, helps to understand ALL the
perspectives and ultimately enables you to win the debate. Blind arrogance
and ridiculous name calling only takes away your validity and weakens your
position in the eyes of your rivals....

There again what do I know? I am from the un-enlightened evil Fascist Anti
yEnc Camp that lingers in the dark ages...

Andrew


"Clairbear" wrote in message
...
(Rusty Knuckle) wrote in
. net:

Clem; As you probably have gathered, reason has no place in this
newsgroup. Post as you see fit. Let the anti-yenk(ers) eat bytes.



the group is called alt.BINARIES.PICTURES.aviation and not
alt.NOYENC.pictures.aviation so if it is binaries and pictures of aviation
then post it if those opposed to your binaries can't decode then like I
had
to back in the dark ages I found what I needed to decode posts in this or
any other NG. Don't let the fascist anti-yenc gang push you around just
put
a header on the post to at least give a clue to what you post

Damned spell checker!!! NOW THAT'S EMBARRASING!

"walk in the others shows first".

Excuse me that should be "Shoes".


Andrew

Looks like you've succeeded in "Yenc'ing" everybodys chain.
Such passion - like the Jehovah ladies at my door proclaiming my doom to
damnation!
Lets fuel the fi
Are Yenc'ers Democrats or Republicans?
..or shall we just hose it down like I did to the nice ladies that wouldn't
go away?

"Clem" wrote in message
. 97.136...

Now that's funny!!!
I will have to remember that trick the next time they come around to my
door...

Andrew


"Alan" wrote in message
. ..
Looks like you've succeeded in "Yenc'ing" everybodys chain.
Such passion - like the Jehovah ladies at my door proclaiming my doom to
damnation!
Lets fuel the fi
Are Yenc'ers Democrats or Republicans?
..or shall we just hose it down like I did to the nice ladies that
wouldn't
go away?

"Clem" wrote in message
. 97.136...

"Andrew-S" I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com wrote in
message ...
Amazing...

Almost 30 words without a coma. Whew and I though my typed punctuation
was bad! Kind of interesting how when I organized the last vote on yEnc
I never forced, bullied or name called those who I disagreed with. Nor
for that matter did I scream or throw fits when I couldn't have my own
way...

Before you argue, walk in the others shows first. It will give you a
perspective that strengthens your own arguments in the eyes of others,
teaches you compassion for your opponent, helps to understand ALL the
perspectives and ultimately enables you to win the debate. Blind
arrogance and ridiculous name calling only takes away your validity and
weakens your position in the eyes of your rivals....

There again what do I know? I am from the un-enlightened evil Fascist
Anti yEnc Camp that lingers in the dark ages...

Andrew


As I see it, there is no way of forcing you to not post Yenc. If you do so,
that's your own decision.

But why you want to argue your point is lost on me. Obviously you want to
show your photos otherwise you wouldn't bother
arguing your point. Yet you don't want to accept that some people just don't
want to meddle in yenc.

I'm not sure what is more pointless. arguing your point or persisting in
showing to a market that just isn't there and just doesn't care.

Trying to belittle the non yenc voters on this group is also not going to
help your point of view.