Bid to buy the Beechcraft was rigged?

In my opinion, the Bonanza is a better plane than the SR22

Well, a Citation is also better than a King air but they are different
planes. The SR22 is a good 2 person business plane (you can put kids in
the back but not suits), the Bonanza is a good 4/5 person plane.
-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:
Bret Ludwig wrote:
Dan Luke wrote:
"Bret Ludwig" wrote:


They must be an incredibly bloated company to need that much money. In
fact they are. I have relatives that work at the plant on Webb Rd. Of
couirse the production people are not munificently paid, in fact a
career there on the rivet driving side will be punctuated with layoffs
like anywhere else. The executives live like maharajahs of course.

Nothing wrong with that, the company has ever right to charge ANYTHING
they want for their product, this isn't Russia. What is costs me to
produce my product is NONE of your business. The question is, did they
charge the state more than they normally charge for their product. That
would be unethical if they took advantage of a nobid situation.

They do. The buyers have a right to be as gullible as they want to be.

You have every right to keep the profit margin of your product secret,
I have every right to make an educated guess as to what it is. This is
called "business analysis" and is a key to success in business. I have
every right to choose if I think excessive profit margin is reason for
me to buy elsewhere. In fact I have every right to choose any reason or
none at all to buy elsewhere.

The company is not being accused of plumping the price as far as I
know, the "beef" is against the state buying officials who decided they
wanted the $750K Bonanza vs. the $350K Cirrus despite the latter
properly fulfilling the stated bid requirements.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Bret Ludwig wrote:
Dan Luke wrote:
"Bret Ludwig" wrote:


They must be an incredibly bloated company to need that much money. In
fact they are. I have relatives that work at the plant on Webb Rd. Of
couirse the production people are not munificently paid, in fact a
career there on the rivet driving side will be punctuated with layoffs
like anywhere else. The executives live like maharajahs of course.

Nothing wrong with that, the company has ever right to charge ANYTHING
they want for their product, this isn't Russia. What is costs me to
produce my product is NONE of your business. The question is, did they
charge the state more than they normally charge for their product. That
would be unethical if they took advantage of a nobid situation.

Why?

Sounds like the state needs a kick in the ass for putting out no-bid PO's.

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
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They do. The buyers have a right to be as gullible as they want to be.

You have every right to keep the profit margin of your product secret,
I have every right to make an educated guess as to what it is. This is
called "business analysis" and is a key to success in business.

Oh? What school of business is that?

I have
every right to choose if I think excessive profit margin is reason for
me to buy elsewhere.

Indeed, you have that right, but that's a pretty lame business strategy.

In fact I have every right to choose any reason or
none at all to buy elsewhere.

Quite!


The company is not being accused of plumping the price as far as I
know, the "beef" is against the state buying officials who decided they
wanted the $750K Bonanza vs. the $350K Cirrus despite the latter
properly fulfilling the stated bid requirements.

Sounds like a typical example of someone spending other peoples money.


--
Matt

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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

Well, a Citation is also better than a King air but they are different
planes. The SR22 is a good 2 person business plane (you can put kids in
the back but not suits)

The SR-22 has an 1150 pound useful load. That's four 166 pounders with
full fuel, or four 200 pounders with (a still respectable) 58 gallons
on board.

The "suits" at your company must be super-sized if they can't fit in a
Cirrus!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www. AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

The "suits" at your company must be super-sized if they can't fit in a
Cirrus!

Perhaps the issue is more a matter of space than weight? It's also possible that
two adults in the back shifts the COG too far.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

On 2005-10-17, Jay Honeck wrote:
The "suits" at your company must be super-sized if they can't fit in a
Cirrus!

Generally, they often are! At my last job, my office happened to be on
'managers row' as it were (a cluster of managers offices were right by
mine). If there was one thing similar about each of the managers on my
row, it was that none of them weighed under 250 lbs.

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Bret Ludwig wrote:

The company is not being accused of plumping the price as far as I
know, the "beef" is against the state buying officials who decided they
wanted the $750K Bonanza vs. the $350K Cirrus despite the latter
properly fulfilling the stated bid requirements.

How long would the state have had to wait for delivery of a Cirrus vs a
Beechcraft?

The cited article said:

"MnDOT officials said they simply decided to trade in the old plane
rather than add to their fleet."

Which raises the question, did they really pay $700k for the Beechcraft,
or did they pay significantly less after trading in their old Beechcraft
(which Cirrus may or may not have been willing to take in trade)?

The purchase deserves scrutiny, but one should not just assume that a
plastic Cirrus (what's that airframe life limit now?) would be equally
suited for all missions as a six-seater Beechcraft.


--
"You can support the troops but not the president"
--Representative Tom Delay (R-TX), during the Kosovo war.

The SR-22 has an 1150 pound useful load. That's four 166 pounders with
full fuel, or four 200 pounders with (a still respectable) 58 gallons
on board.

Its a space issue. Sitting in the back of an A36 is almost like sitting
in the back of an airline. Sitting in the back of an SR22 is like
sitting in the back of a VW bug. For non-GA people being shuttled
around on business, it could make a big difference.

-Robert

Why?

You are asking why I think it would be unethical to take advantage of a
no-bid situation? Ethics are something based on personal values and
standards. It's my opinion that it would be unethical, I don't need any
more justification than that. I think you'll find that most company's
internal standards and conducts guides also probit the same.

-robert