Use of hand-held GPS on FAA check ride

Mr. Tarver:
You are correct in that it definitely takes a quorum of managers to make a
cogent decision about such things.

Likewise, you are also (probably) correct in that it should not make one
iota of difference whether one wishes to use their hand-held GPS a Robinson
R-22 helicreature or in an Aeronca Champ. So, a rotorcraft should not be
different. However, the Q&A that addresses this issue is in reply to a
question about using a helicopter for certain tasks in training and on the
practical test.

The issue about whether the GPS is "installed" if velcroed to the panel is
much thornier. If one has access to the Summit Aviation Reference Library
on CD and does a global search for "velcro," one will note that many air
carrier aircraft have their MEL-required, installed emergency gear (first
aid kits, etc.) attached by velcro, which, in that case I'd guess, is most
likely considered an attaching means worthy of an STC or 337.

So, if you read the Q&A 170e on the FAA's web site, you will see that the
author of the Q&A still waffles on the "attachment" issue. Likewise, the
FAA has still as of this date, never responded to an official AOPA query
about that issue of yoke clips, velcro, etc. for hand-helds.

Tailwinds.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Barry" wrote in message
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After decades of national policy prohibiting use of hand-held VOR and
GPS
on
FAA check rides, FAA Flight Standards Headquarters in Washington DC
(AFS-800) finally reversed itself and is now allowing the use of
hand-held
VOR and GPS on Private, Commercial and Instrument FAA check rides.

I love FAA's new management.

So, if your Private Pilot applicant wants to use his new Garmin Pilot
III
GPS to demonstrate radio navigation on the check ride, he may do so. Of
course, if the aircraft is equipped with a VOR receiver and CDI, he
still
must demonstrate proficiency with that unit as well. While this
question
was put to the FAA regarding use of the hand-held GPS in a helicopter, I
don't believe that the policy change is category/class specific.

Why would a rotorcraft be different?

And yes, the GPS may be velcro taped to the panel.

"not installed"

It was a difficult process to get the FAA to finally see the light that
if
a
hand-held GPS provides the same useful, unambigious information that a
panel-mounted unit gives, it should be allowed on the check ride. After
several policy position reversals over the last 10 months, the FAA
finally
published their final policy change in the Part 61 FAQ's on the FAA's
web
page. Go to http://afs600.faa.gov and download the "Part 61 FAQ's" and
look
at the new, revised Q&A 170e.

You have to expect infighting like that, where empire building is the
business of the day.

I was privileged to take part in the promulgation of this change and
have
suggested some methods of evaluating the Navigation Task on the
practical
test, which is reflected in Q&A 572. Constructive input on this matter
is
welcomed.

Regular use of the handheld should also create less emergencies with dead
batteries.

It is not easy to get the FAA to change policy on anything, much less
something on which they have been so opposed for so may years. To their
credit, they listened to reason and actually considered public input to
effect this change.

Sometimes you have to displace the entire management staff in DC, as has
happened since 1997.