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"Prowlus" wrote in message om... "Vaughn" wrote in message ... "Eunometic" wrote in message om... The perfect platform: Possibly the SEAD Tornados or F15E type aircraft loaded with sensors. Or a UAV. or howabout a helicopter gunship? Yea, just ask the Apache's how well they did during OIF. They couldn't seem to get above the AAA to be effective. |
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Ed wrote:
Reread the last sentence of my post slowly. Savor the nuance. You met a few pilots assigned to fly fighters. But Ed, they all claimed to be "fighter pilots". That is the trouble, "everyone wants to be a fighter pilot" not all who make the claim are fighter pilots. Thus my claim that some "fighter pilots" are "pukes". You have to watch your step in a stag bar with a bunch of people who "look" like "fighter pilots" Hell there might even be a WSO in the crowd! Oxmoron1 MFE Mapreading, DR Photo equipment operator. Known celestial observer when everything else fails. |
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Ed Rasimus wrote in message . ..
On 8 Jun 2004 11:53:49 -0700, (Prowlus) wrote: Can't they say "ATTACK" Pilots anymore? if those "fighter" pilots are pounding grounmd targets there are no longer defined as true "Fighter Pukes" If they were in the USN, they would abide by Navy convention. In the USAF, aviators in high-performance tactical aircraft fly fighters. F-designated aircraft in the USAF do quite nicely in both roles, and with the shortage of air threats, they are economically re-roled as well. And, we have "Recce Pukes, Bomber Pukes, Trash-hauler Pukes and Training Command Pukes". We don't have Fighter Pukes. We have fighter pilots and pilots who fly fighters. OK, Ed; let's define which are "pukes". Were recce pilots who flew "alone and unarmed" into North Vietnam in RF-101s, and became the first POWs, pukes? Or their later RF-4 brothers? Were "Trash Haulers" who landed their C-130s and C-123s into places like Khe Son pukes? Were the Misty Facs pukes? Were B-52 pilots who flew their Buffs over Hanoi during Linebacker pukes? Were the Jolly Greens pukes? Or the Sandys that covered for them? Or are the only "pukes" those "fighter pilots" who need to feel that they are the chosen few. JimThomas Fighter Pilot, also Sandy and more. |
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Jim Thomas made a couple of comments ending with:
Or are the only "pukes" those "fighter pilots" who need to feel that they are the chosen few. Jim, You are taking Ed too seriously! You have to understand the "Fighter Pilot" mentality and sense of humor. Ed is not knocking the valor or skills of the "pukes", he is stating the "Fighter Pilot" outlook on life, "Dawn Patrol" and all that crap. It is part of the "character" of fighter pilots in particular to take on the persona of "Yeah though I walk through the Valley of Death, I will fear no evil....'cause I am the meanest SOB in the Valley". In various forms the attitude affects most aircrew in different ways. What you don't want is the B-52 pilot who thinks he can do a Cuban Eight in a BUFF or the multiplace a/c pilot who "knows" he can do the whole enchilada by himself or the Nav who "never" makes a mistake or the guy who thinks his war was the only one ever fought or the expert who "knows" everything. Oxmoron1 MFE "Oh my GAWD! I lost my eraser!" "You want me to do this in ink?" "Tonight Wake City, Hot Damn" "Number three is running a little rough!, No. 3 is Ok, it is 1, 2 and 4 that are sick today" "No LORAN, No Radar Altimeter, Overcast, No Sweat, I'll just DR for 14 hours and declare Minimum Navaids when we bust the ADIZ" "Right handle, left handle, squeeze right" All of which are better than "The US Rifle, caliber .30, M-1 is a clip fed, gas operated, semi-automatic shoulder weapon...." |
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Ed Rasimus wrote:
Well, you do know of course, that Fighter Pilots are indeed "the chosen few." How could it be otherwise? I have mucho respect for former Thud drivers, as well as Jollys and Sandys. But, I often wonder why it is that the Thud drivers are the ones who insist on their own superiority in such an annoying manner? They aren't the only military units that have been misused and abused, that's for sure. They just seem to whine about it longer and louder (even worse than those F-4 blowhards). If it's true, as I suspect, that a higher percentage of 105 pukes shot down (than Sandys or Jollys) survived to become POWs, that could be perceived as an advantage, though perhaps not more highly deserved. As always, Sandys and Jollys drink for free around here. Those whose airplanes are propelled by many very small enclosed rotating blades, without the use of a few very large ones, should bring cash. Jack (SEA FAC) |
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On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:46:06 -0600, Ed Rasimus wrote:
On 8 Jun 2004 11:53:49 -0700, (Prowlus) wrote: Can't they say "ATTACK" Pilots anymore? if those "fighter" pilots are pounding grounmd targets there are no longer defined as true "Fighter Pukes" If they were in the USN, they would abide by Navy convention. In the USAF, aviators in high-performance tactical aircraft fly fighters. F-designated aircraft in the USAF do quite nicely in both roles, and with the shortage of air threats, they are economically re-roled as well. And, we have "Recce Pukes, Bomber Pukes, Trash-hauler Pukes and Training Command Pukes". We don't have Fighter Pukes. We have fighter pilots and pilots who fly fighters. Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" Smithsonian Institution Press ISBN #1-58834-103-8 And, apparently, all fighter types have egos at least ten orders of magnitude greater than either their abilities or their egos. Al Minyard |
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