Diesel in a homebuilt?

Not that I plan to do this but I was wondering, if one was going to
plan to install a diesel in a homebuilt, what diesel would one put
in?
Lou

Lou wrote:
Not that I plan to do this but I was wondering, if one was going to
plan to install a diesel in a homebuilt, what diesel would one put
in?
Lou
V-16 Caterpillar.

Subaru is coming out with a diesel boxer style engine. I wonder what it
weighs?

At Team Tango we have a builder who is planning to install a Delta
Hawk In a Tango 2. He has been waiting for several years and will
receive one of the first production engines when they begint to ship.
This year, again, they say this fall (and this time its for real). I
am not aware of any other diesels designed for airplanes that are
actually in play these days, but I haven't kept up on SMA, Thielert.
I have heard of financial problems at the companies. I would havae
financial problems trying to pay for one.

"denny" wrote

He has been waiting for several years and will
receive one of the first production engines when they begint to ship.
This year, again, they say this fall (and this time its for real).

Want to put any money down on him getting an engine this fall, or not?

I have been hearing that they are going to be shipping this "(X)" for at
least 3 years, now.
--
Jim in NC

On May 18, 9:31*pm, "Morgans" wrote:
"denny" wrote

He has been waiting for several years and will
receive one of the first production engines when they begint to ship.
This year, again, they say this fall *(and this time its for real).

Want to put any money down on him getting an engine this fall, or not?

I have been hearing that they are going to be shipping this "(X)" for at
least 3 years, now.
--
Jim in NC

They promised me mine in Augest of 2002, December at the latest. You
all know "the rest of the story".

"Lou" wrote in message
...
Not that I plan to do this but I was wondering, if one was going to
plan to install a diesel in a homebuilt, what diesel would one put
in?
Lou

Your location is not obvious from your email. In most of the world, diesels
are available in a wide variety. In the US, where fuel consumption is only
estimated from total mass flow and emission content at the exhasut, the
choices are currently quite limited, and I am really not very happy with any
of the choices. The 2 liter VW (Passat) is an all iron engine, and about
all I know is that it is about 100 pounds heavier than its gasoline
stablemate--which is partially aluminum. There are also V6 diesels offered
in the Mercedes E320 and the Jeep Liberty, but I know even less about them.
There are probably others that I haven't seen, and Isuzu has said that they
will be back in the diesel market when the regulations have stabilized.

Personally, I really do like the diesel idea--so I plan to take a very close
look if/when any of the lighter small diesels (such as the 2 liter Mercedes)
become available here.

Of course, there are a couple of avitaion diesels (Thielert being the most
widely known) that will bolt right in--but you have to fly a lot to save the
initial cost difference back in fuel.

You can correctly surmise from the above, that I tend to think in terms of
automotive conversion as soon as the disucssion drifts away from the smaller
Lycoming and Continental engines--and thier clones.

Peter

"Peter Dohm" wrote

Your location is not obvious from your email. In most of the world,
diesels are available in a wide variety. In the US, where fuel
consumption is only estimated from total mass flow and emission content at
the exhasut, the choices are currently quite limited, and I am really not
very happy with any of the choices. The 2 liter VW (Passat) is an all
iron engine, and about all I know is that it is about 100 pounds heavier
than its gasoline stablemate--which is partially aluminum. There are also
V6 diesels offered in the Mercedes E320 and the Jeep Liberty, but I know
even less about them. There are probably others that I haven't seen, and
Isuzu has said that they will be back in the diesel market when the
regulations have stabilized.

Personally, I really do like the diesel idea--so I plan to take a very
close look if/when any of the lighter small diesels (such as the 2 liter
Mercedes) become available here.

One thing that everyone should keep in mind, is that automotive diesels run
on diesel fuel, and everyone wanting diesel engines for their airplanes is
going to want to use jet fuel.

Jet fuel does not have the good lubricating properties that diesel fuel has,
and may tend to wear out the automotive fuel pumps in short order.

I read somewhere that Thielert spent half of what they spent on
modifications to the engine, in designing a fuel pump that would be durable
enough.

Something to keep in mind.
--
Jim in NC
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:


One thing that everyone should keep in mind, is that automotive diesels run
on diesel fuel, and everyone wanting diesel engines for their airplanes is
going to want to use jet fuel.

Jet fuel does not have the good lubricating properties that diesel fuel has,
and may tend to wear out the automotive fuel pumps in short order.

.....

Something to keep in mind.

This issue was discussed on the Canard Aviation forum a year or so ago.
What I dont remember was if there were lubricity additives that could be
used to make up for this jet a shortcoming (something you spray in the
tank, like they do with Prist for anti-icing)

Morgans schreef:

One thing that everyone should keep in mind, is that automotive diesels run
on diesel fuel, and everyone wanting diesel engines for their airplanes is
going to want to use jet fuel.

Jet fuel does not have the good lubricating properties that diesel fuel has,
and may tend to wear out the automotive fuel pumps in short order.

The lubricity aspect is certainly important. But I'm not so sure
everybody will be wanting to use Jet A1. Just like many recreational
fliers bring their own mogas to the field, I can imagine pilots
bringing jerrycans of off-road diesel (coloured red in my country,
and in many other European countries I believe).
Those with a trailered plane can just stop at a petrol station, of course.

Ideally, both diesel and Jet-A1 could be used.
But with today's fuel prices, everyone makes his own compromise.