UNITED AIR LINES TO LAY OFF 950 PILOTS

On Jun 29, 8:31*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
terry writes:
Economics 101 *fixed costs and variable costs. * fuel use per pax per
mile ( the main *variable cost in running an airline ) *decreasses
significantly for any aircraft as no of pax increases. *so its pretty
obvious that flying airliners with MT seats becomes less sensible as
fuel prices rise.

But pax numbers were not mentioned. *All else being equal, fewer flights
equals less utilization of assets. *If pax numbers per flight are also
changed, that has to be specified.

Only if we are discussing a problem in the back of a high school text
book. but this discussion is about the reality of what is happening
outside your apartment. How often do you fly on an airline.? I have
rarely been on a flight that is full, most airlines fly to a schedule
whereby the aircraft leaves regardless of how many passengers are on
the flight. there is a minimum number of pax for break even. as the
price of fuel has gone up , that number of pax has to go up in the
absense of fare increases , which are limited by what people are
prepared to pay. It logically follows that it becomes an economical
use of assets to reduce the number of flights and maximise bums on
seats, even if that means mothballing aircraft.

On Jun 29, 8:32*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
terry writes:
increase revenue *indefinately hah, do you want to give us a list of
companies that have done that?

Microsoft, Amazon, Google, General Electric ... virtually all large companies.
They did not become large by cutting costs.

and can you demonstrate they increased revenue continuously , year
after year.?
and then read the following link re amazon slashing 1300 jobs.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-5300495.html

all business, look at expenses and revenues.

terry writes:

and can you demonstrate they increased revenue continuously , year
after year.?

I said indefinitely, not continuously.

On Jun 26, 6:15*pm, gatt wrote:
Larry Dighera wrote:
I expect to see a lot more of this sort of thing occurring as the
economy worsens:

Time to burst the speculator-driven oil bubble once and for all:

"NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The Dow plummeted more than 350 points
Thursday as selling accelerated following a record surge in oil prices.
The three major indexes took a beating right out of the gate after
Goldman Sachs downgraded two key Dow components, and two tech leaders
disappointed investors."

"Khelil joins a long list of forecasters who have made bold oil price
predictions this year. Each new forecast—such as Goldman Sachs' recent
prediction that prices could rise as high as $200—causes a jump in
prices as speculative buyers are drawn into the market."http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D91HU5I81&show_article=1

"WASHINGTON (Marke****ch) -- The price of retail gasoline could fall by
half, to around $2 a gallon, within 30 days of passage of a law to limit
speculation in energy-futures markets, four energy analysts told
Congress on Monday."

So, really, the only thing that's actually driving the cost up today,
and causing stock market turbulence, is a) the jackass predictions and
b) the entities "drawn into the market" *Maybe it's time to kill the
messengers after all.

Naturally, when the bubble finally bursts there will be a whole bunch of
hand-wringing and pleas for taxpayer-subsidized bailouts, ruined
retirements funds and calls for Congressional investigation. *But the
economy will explode as the average American consumer feels as if a
crushing weight has just been lifted from his shoulders.

My rapidly-depreciating .02.

-c

Historically gas prices have see-sawed wildly, from the $30+ barrel
"Carter Killer" run up in the late 70's down to the $10 oil-bust level
in the early 80's.

Recently gas ran up to $1.80 after 9/11/01 down to 89 cents early
2002. When the speculators leave prices tend to fall...JG

On Jun 28, 11:04*am, GMOD10X wrote:
This is how you fix the airline industry

1. Disband and terminate the FAILED Aviation Administration.
It is a pathetic failure and needs to be reinvented and
revamped with a new name and mission

2. Using money from the WASTE called the FAA encourage new
technology. Award huge Government grants for new fuel saving
technology in aircraft.

3. Open up the airspace between 45K and 60K to new high
altitude aircraft that can fly direct routes without Air
Traffic control antiquated nonsense

4. Set aside AMERICAN oil reserves for the airline industry
with direct from refinery to airport pipelines and remove
all federal tax on aviation fuel. (Use savings from waste
saved from FAA bloated Government barnacle)

5. Terminate the IRS and all income tax. More money in
peoples pocket will spur recreation airline travel increase

6. Encourage midnight to 6AM travel with massive discounts
and airline support

7. Install airline internet network so all airline
passengers can surf the internet and conduct business while
in flight. End the antiquated STUPID cell phone ban by the
FAA on aircraft. Cell phones DO NOT interfere with
navigation signals on aircraft that is a bunch of HOGWASH

8. Stop the stupid as HELL TSA long line security INSANITY
in our airports. Issue all flight crews Tasers and 9mm
glocks including flight attendants. If a passenger acts up
in flight and is Middle Eastern KILL them. When I fly
through Europe I don't take my ****ing shoes off why here?

9. Last but not least vote out EVERY incumbent in any
politically elected office now. Our Federal and State and
Local Governments are a DISGRACE and should be **** out like
the infected feces they are. We need a political PURGE here
in America. Starting with the White House all the way down
to the BOTTOM of Government. Complete and TOTAL purge.

I am sure there are many others jump in the waters fine

So PATCO is at fault for $4.00 gas, thats a new one...JG

On Jun 28, 12:31*pm, Andy Hawkins wrote:
Hi,

In article ,
* * * * * wrote:

gatt writes:

So, really, the only thing that's actually driving the cost up today ....

The cost isn't really rising much. *It's just that the dollar is falling. *The
cost of oil in other currencies is far more stable, since they are not
falling.

Yeah, cos our fuel in the UK hasn't risen by about 20p a litre this year or
anything...

Andy

UK also has a mortgage/banking "issue" to work through, buy no one
goes bankrupt due to hospital bills..jG

Hi,

In article ,
wrote:
What is the total price per litre?

Diesel is currently something like £1.30 a litre, petrol maybe £1.15 or
£1.20 I think.

Andy

Andy Hawkins wrote in
:

Hi,

In article ,
wrote:
What is the total price per litre?

Diesel is currently something like £1.30 a litre, petrol maybe £1.15 or
£1.20 I think.

Jeeesus!

Of couse, isda guv'min, innit mate?


Bertie

Hi,

In article ,
Bertie the wrote:
Andy Hawkins wrote in
:

Diesel is currently something like £1.30 a litre, petrol maybe £1.15 or
£1.20 I think.

Jeeesus!

Of couse, isda guv'min, innit mate?

Indeed. Something like 60% of the price at the pumps is pure tax of one form
or another.

Andy

Andy Hawkins wrote in
:

Hi,

In article ,
Bertie the wrote:
Andy Hawkins wrote in
:

Diesel is currently something like £1.30 a litre, petrol maybe £1.15
or £1.20 I think.

Jeeesus!

Of couse, isda guv'min, innit mate?

Indeed. Something like 60% of the price at the pumps is pure tax of
one form or another.


Bastids! Of course, they are providing you with grist for another fifty
years of war movies so the money isn't a total waste.


Bertie