B-17 landing accident today, Van Nuys, Calif.

Is "Dragon and his Tail" the same B-24 that used to be painted as "All
American"? Collings Foundation, right?

Yes, the same airplane...the ONLY flying B-24.

There's an LB-30 flying still.

Walt

Speaking about B24's; has anyone ever heard of a C87 ??
"WalterM140" wrote in message
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Is "Dragon and his Tail" the same B-24 that used to be painted as "All
American"? Collings Foundation, right?

Yes, the same airplane...the ONLY flying B-24.

There's an LB-30 flying still.

Walt

"M.H.Greaves" wrote:

Speaking about B24's; has anyone ever heard of a C87 ??

I suspect our friend Mr. Gustin has:

http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevo.../C87LIBER.html

Bob McKellar

Subject: B-17 landing accident today, Van Nuys, Calif.
From: "M.H.Greaves"
Date: 5/13/04 1:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

Does anyone know what a C87 IS??
"Bob McKellar" wrote in message
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"M.H.Greaves" wrote:

Speaking about B24's; has anyone ever heard of a C87 ??

I suspect our friend Mr. Gustin has:

http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevo.../C87LIBER.html

Bob McKellar




They also took out the bombay racks and in some cases sealed the bombay doors.
Also bombsight, intervalometer and bomb rack electrical controls were removed
as well as racks for MG ammo belts.

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Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Does anyone know what a C87 IS??
"Bob McKellar" wrote in message
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"M.H.Greaves" wrote:

Speaking about B24's; has anyone ever heard of a C87 ??

I suspect our friend Mr. Gustin has:

http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevo.../C87LIBER.html

Bob McKellar

Its a transport version of the B24, no guns, no bombs, no ammo, just a big
transport version of the B24, I first heard about them was in E. K. Gann's
book, "Fate is the Hunter" He flew one and just missed the Taj Mahal!!
Good Book; Well worth the read!!!
"Bob McKellar" wrote in message
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"M.H.Greaves" wrote:

Speaking about B24's; has anyone ever heard of a C87 ??

I suspect our friend Mr. Gustin has:

http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevo.../C87LIBER.html

Bob McKellar

Yup, that's right, it was just a plain, and basic bomber, no frills.
"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: B-17 landing accident today, Van Nuys, Calif.
From: "M.H.Greaves"
Date: 5/13/04 1:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

Does anyone know what a C87 IS??
"Bob McKellar" wrote in message
...


"M.H.Greaves" wrote:

Speaking about B24's; has anyone ever heard of a C87 ??

I suspect our friend Mr. Gustin has:


http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevo.../C87LIBER.html

Bob McKellar




They also took out the bombay racks and in some cases sealed the bombay
doors.
Also bombsight, intervalometer and bomb rack electrical controls were
removed
as well as racks for MG ammo belts.

.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

M.H.Greaves wrote:
"Bob McKellar" wrote in message
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"M.H.Greaves" wrote:

Speaking about B24's; has anyone ever heard of a C87 ??

I suspect our friend Mr. Gustin has:

http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevo.../C87LIBER.html

Its a transport version of the B24, no guns, no bombs, no ammo, just a big
transport version of the B24, I first heard about them was in E. K. Gann's
book, "Fate is the Hunter" He flew one and just missed the Taj Mahal!!
Good Book; Well worth the read!!!

That'd be the "Gremlin's Castle", yes? I seem to recall that chapter
being excerpted in Reader's Digest.

Ended up reading a lot of aviation books after seeing excerpts in RD.
--
Marc Reeve
actual email address after removal of 4s & spaces is
c4m4r4a4m4a4n a4t c4r4u4z4i4o d4o4t c4o4m

"M.H.Greaves" wrote in message
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Speaking about B24's; has anyone ever heard of a C87 ??
"WalterM140" wrote in message
...
Is "Dragon and his Tail" the same B-24 that used to be painted as
"All
American"? Collings Foundation, right?

Yes, the same airplane...the ONLY flying B-24.

There's an LB-30 flying still.

Heard of a C-87? Why sure, did you know that FDR
used a C-87 in a role that in later days would get a plane
called Air Force 1?
I don't guess I've ever seen one though, outside a photo.
Any C-87 survivors have likely been converted to B-24s
by now. I know this was the case for XC-108, a B-17E
converted to a tanker; it was "discovered" to still exist in
private hands but was restored to the B-17 configuration.

As far as I can tell, he only did two genuine factual aviation books, but I
may be wrong! (maybe you can put me right!) I went to my local library and
found a whole load of his, but they were all fiction, except "flying
Circus", for some reason, I don't know why exactly, I cannot read fiction,
Science fiction if I'm in the right mood (rarely), but when it comes to
flying, its gotta be factual!!
"Marc Reeve" wrote in message
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M.H.Greaves wrote:
"Bob McKellar" wrote in message
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"M.H.Greaves" wrote:

Speaking about B24's; has anyone ever heard of a C87 ??

I suspect our friend Mr. Gustin has:


http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevo.../C87LIBER.html

Its a transport version of the B24, no guns, no bombs, no ammo, just a
big
transport version of the B24, I first heard about them was in E. K.
Gann's
book, "Fate is the Hunter" He flew one and just missed the Taj Mahal!!
Good Book; Well worth the read!!!

That'd be the "Gremlin's Castle", yes? I seem to recall that chapter
being excerpted in Reader's Digest.

Ended up reading a lot of aviation books after seeing excerpts in RD.
--
Marc Reeve
actual email address after removal of 4s & spaces is
c4m4r4a4m4a4n a4t c4r4u4z4i4o d4o4t c4o4m