Living In Fear Abroad - Welcome to Al qaeda's More Dangerous World

"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

"Ron" wrote in message
...
Usama bin Laden claims Spain as part of Islam
and has said so many times.

Well he claims the whole world for a future
muslim theocracy too for that
matter.

Grenada Spain is part of Islam's glory old days.
The Califate is an
important symbol in bin Laden's message.


Well, someone needs to explain to Osama and the rest of AQ and their affiliates
and wannabes that their dream of a Caliphiate ain't gonna happen, and that
history is replete with failed dreams of glory and ideology: Naziism, Fascism,
and Communism all come to mind.

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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

"Ron" wrote in message
...
...
Usama bin Laden claims Spain as part of
Islam and has said so many
times.

Well he claims the whole world for a future
muslim theocracy too for
that
matter.

Grenada Spain is part of Islam's glory old
days. The Califate is an
important symbol in bin Laden's message.

Yes, and for the bin laden types, it is an
major defeat, that for them,
could
have well just been yesterday that happened.
As evidenced by the AQ statement regarding
settling old accounts with
Spain.

If voters in any western country think that
a less confrontational policy
towards the groups such as AQ/bin laden will
make them safer, they are
sorely
mistaken. I am not pointing to any specific
events like Spain, but in
general,
in how it appears some Europeans would rather
appease or not cooperate
with the
US/UK, for fear of making the terrorists more
mad.

I don't think Europe understands that none of
that matters to al Qaeda.


The only way to deal with Al-Queda and their affiliates and wannabe organizations
is to kill them, period. Make membership in the organization very unattractive
by making sure the message gets out that if you join AQ, your life is forfeit.
Find the remaining leadership (whereever they are) and kill them without
mercy or quarter. Then go after the mid-level operatives and either bring
them in: either in cuffs or in a body bag. The foot soldiers and financiers
are next, along with shutting down and keeping shut down front companies
and money laundering operations. Once AQ is done away with, go after the
affiliates and wannabe organizations and individuals and mete out the same
treatment. If the bleeding hearts want to bleed about this, they can go ahead
and bleed. Meanwhile, a dirty job which needs doing is going to get done.


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"Matt Wiser" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

"Ron" wrote in message
...
...
Usama bin Laden claims Spain as part of
Islam and has said so many
times.

Well he claims the whole world for a future
muslim theocracy too for
that
matter.

Grenada Spain is part of Islam's glory old
days. The Califate is an
important symbol in bin Laden's message.

Yes, and for the bin laden types, it is an
major defeat, that for them,
could
have well just been yesterday that happened.
As evidenced by the AQ statement regarding
settling old accounts with
Spain.

If voters in any western country think that
a less confrontational policy
towards the groups such as AQ/bin laden will
make them safer, they are
sorely
mistaken. I am not pointing to any specific
events like Spain, but in
general,
in how it appears some Europeans would rather
appease or not cooperate
with the
US/UK, for fear of making the terrorists more
mad.

I don't think Europe understands that none of
that matters to al Qaeda.


The only way to deal with Al-Queda and their affiliates and wannabe
organizations
is to kill them, period. Make membership in the organization very
unattractive
by making sure the message gets out that if you join AQ, your life is
forfeit.
Find the remaining leadership (whereever they are) and kill them without
mercy or quarter. Then go after the mid-level operatives and either bring
them in: either in cuffs or in a body bag. The foot soldiers and
financiers
are next, along with shutting down and keeping shut down front companies
and money laundering operations. Once AQ is done away with, go after the
affiliates and wannabe organizations and individuals and mete out the same
treatment. If the bleeding hearts want to bleed about this, they can go
ahead
and bleed. Meanwhile, a dirty job which needs doing is going to get done.

Spain has chosen a different path.

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:14:37 GMT, "Matt Wiser" wrote:


"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

"Ron" wrote in message
...
Usama bin Laden claims Spain as part of Islam
and has said so many times.

Well he claims the whole world for a future
muslim theocracy too for that
matter.

Grenada Spain is part of Islam's glory old days.
The Califate is an
important symbol in bin Laden's message.


Well, someone needs to explain to Osama and the rest of AQ and their affiliates
and wannabes that their dream of a Caliphiate ain't gonna happen, and that
history is replete with failed dreams of glory and ideology: Naziism, Fascism,
and Communism all come to mind.

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I wish that I could agree, but spain has surrendered. Who will be the next to wave
a white flag?

Al Minyard

"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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"OXMORON1" wrote in message
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Tarver wrote:
Spain is stolen Muslem land and has been since 1492. The only
apeasment
that will work for Spain is conversion to Islam.


What the heck are you saying? The land beloned to the Europeans before
the
Islamic troops invaded it.

If you are saying that is the Islamic fundamentalist claim, I agree. If
you are
saying that it is fact, I disagree.

It's just another Tarverbot troll. Get used to them, or make life much
more
simple by just killfiling him--nine out of ten RAM regulars can't be
wrong,
to steal a phrase from the toothpaste ad....

Be nice, Kevin. Tarver has actually been fairly well behaved lately.

"John Keeney" wrote in message
...

"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
...

"OXMORON1" wrote in message
...
Tarver wrote:
Spain is stolen Muslem land and has been since 1492. The only
apeasment
that will work for Spain is conversion to Islam.


What the heck are you saying? The land beloned to the Europeans before
the
Islamic troops invaded it.

If you are saying that is the Islamic fundamentalist claim, I agree.
If
you are
saying that it is fact, I disagree.

It's just another Tarverbot troll. Get used to them, or make life much
more
simple by just killfiling him--nine out of ten RAM regulars can't be
wrong,
to steal a phrase from the toothpaste ad....

Be nice, Kevin. Tarver has actually been fairly well behaved lately.

I wouldn't know, being one of those nine-out-of-ten...

Brooks

"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

"Matt Wiser" wrote
in message
news:4059be65$1@bg2....

"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

"Ron" wrote in message
...
...
Usama bin Laden claims Spain as part
of
Islam and has said so many
times.

Well he claims the whole world for a
future
muslim theocracy too for
that
matter.

Grenada Spain is part of Islam's glory
old
days. The Califate is an
important symbol in bin Laden's message.

Yes, and for the bin laden types, it is
an
major defeat, that for them,
could
have well just been yesterday that happened.
As evidenced by the AQ statement regarding
settling old accounts with
Spain.

If voters in any western country think
that
a less confrontational policy
towards the groups such as AQ/bin laden
will
make them safer, they are
sorely
mistaken. I am not pointing to any specific
events like Spain, but in
general,
in how it appears some Europeans would
rather
appease or not cooperate
with the
US/UK, for fear of making the terrorists
more
mad.

I don't think Europe understands that none
of
that matters to al Qaeda.


The only way to deal with Al-Queda and their
affiliates and wannabe
organizations
is to kill them, period. Make membership in
the organization very
unattractive
by making sure the message gets out that if
you join AQ, your life is
forfeit.
Find the remaining leadership (whereever they
are) and kill them without
mercy or quarter. Then go after the mid-level
operatives and either bring
them in: either in cuffs or in a body bag.
The foot soldiers and
financiers
are next, along with shutting down and keeping
shut down front companies
and money laundering operations. Once AQ is
done away with, go after the
affiliates and wannabe organizations and individuals
and mete out the same
treatment. If the bleeding hearts want to
bleed about this, they can go
ahead
and bleed. Meanwhile, a dirty job which needs
doing is going to get done.

Spain has chosen a different path.


Unfortunately. Some just can't get the idea that AQ and its affiliates
can't be bargained with or reasoned with. You find them and you kill them,
period. No ifs, ands, or buts. Counterterrorism is a dirty business, but
it's a job that needs doing.

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"John Keeney" wrote in message
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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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Be nice, Kevin. Tarver has actually been fairly well behaved lately.

How does your responding to Kevin's troll help, Keeney?