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Mary,
I am about to triple dose myself with "C" and hit the rack. Yes, I know fast Eddie and I was in on the 31 It was my distinct pleasure to chat with you on the phone today. I hope to catch up with you in Lancaster. Jake "Mary Shafer" wrote in message ... On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:11:27 -0600, "Jake Donovan" wrote: I do have time in the 29, my reference to one hanging in the Air and Space Museum was just that - looking up at it brought back memories. (Poorly worded) Not knowing that the model even existed, I was astounded to walk into that gallery and see the model when I was at NASM back when I knew, without a doubt, that both aircraft were at Dryden. Realistic, isn't it? I think it was an antenna model, but that doesn't seem likely. That's more something you do for production aircraft than for research aircraft. But if not, what was it for? For some authentic nostalgia, you should come to Dryden. We've got one of the X-29s on a pad out in front of Dryden now; we've stopped giving every plane we ever flew to someone else's museum. Of course, it's kind of a motley collection, comprising two lifting bodies, one LLRV, an X-29, an F-104G, an SR-71A, the X-1E, and two F-8s (one the Digital Fly-By-Wire and the other the SuperCritical Wing). We've also got the X-15 mock-up, which looks pretty good for being a complete fake. As for the HARV, DARPA most definitely had input. I had quite a bit of flight data from the HARV come across my desk. No where did I say I flew the test program. You're right--DARPA was definitely in the loop on HARV and I misread what you wrote. Sorry. I knew we'd had a bunch of guest pilots at one time and assumed you were one of them. It's too bad you didn't get to fly it, as it was, I'm told, a lot of fun to fly. We sure did get a lot out of that program, too, as you know from the masses of data you saw. Ken did the S&C estimates on it, now that I think about it. I spent some time advocating an HMD (not an HMS, because we weren't supposed to do weapons system stuff, of course) but never got anywhere. The airframe went back to the Navy about a year ago and I don't know what they've done with it. Weren't you involved with X-31? Fast Eddie thought you were, but we're not sure. Mary -- Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer |
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Harry,
Went through Empire in the early eighties but came back to PAX for a couple of programs. I still call PAX my home away from home as Andrews is a pain (Navy guys know what I am talking about) and PAX is all of 30 minutes from DC Greenline. (Yea, I drive fast) We usually "borrow" aircraft there or over at Strike. Jake "Harry Andreas" wrote in message ... In article f5Hqb.3709$0d2.2508@lakeread06, "Jake Donovan" wrote: Harry, Not a problem. I post here from time to time but my jobs kind of keep me from posting too much. Active frowns on speaking too much unless it is generic. There are a lot who post here know me professionally. I hear that. So many conversations here that I can't contribute to because of security. Newsgroups are world-wide. As you say, generic. Pleasure to meet you too. BTW, I was in Pax off and on in the late 70's early 80's supporting the F/A-18 flight test program. Were you there then? -- Harry Andreas Engineering raconteur |
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Fast Eddie might be reading his quarterly SSO brief??? I don't
know,,,have you read it? Not to be a smart ass, but theres some really good stuff in there about posting to newsgroups and making yourself a target with presumed knowledge of current and developing programs and technology, just might wanta check it out, specially if you hold any kind of clearance? hope no offence taken. On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 03:14:13 GMT, "Doug \"Woody\" and Erin Beal" wrote: On 11/7/03 6:19 PM, in article , "Mary Shafer" wrote: SNIP Weren't you involved with X-31? Fast Eddie thought you were, but we're not sure. Mary Mary (or anyone else [Nauga?] that can provide a credible answer), Question 1: Do you know whether the 10.7 PROM that's becoming the standard on the F/A-18A+/C/D and was introduced on E/F an ancestor or cousin of any of the technology on the HARV? Flew it for the first time yesterday. It sure makes some unnatural things possible in the Hornet. Question 2: What's Fast Eddie doing these days? --Woody |
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 03:14:13 GMT, "Doug \"Woody\" and Erin Beal"
wrote: Question 1: Do you know whether the 10.7 PROM that's becoming the standard on the F/A-18A+/C/D and was introduced on E/F an ancestor or cousin of any of the technology on the HARV? Flew it for the first time yesterday. It sure makes some unnatural things possible in the Hornet. I don't think they're direct descendants, because the HARV was mostly about thrust vectoring and aerodynamics, but I'm pretty sure they're at least kissing cousins. What they learned flying at higher alpha, with HARV and ACTIVE (aka SMTP) and X-31 and MATV, has, I believe, been translated into new ideas on how to fly airplanes. A lot of the deal with HARV was the idea of carefree maneuvering throughout the envelope, without having to worry about flight limits. I don't want to get into the F-16 vs F-18 approaches discussion again, but I think the new F-18 FCS has addressed that issue. Question 2: What's Fast Eddie doing these days? Fast Eddie is in Texas, at JSC, where he's flying T-38s. He turns 55 this month and will retire on 3 Jan 04. They've bought a fifth-wheeler and are going to return to SoCal via Florida and Kentucky in January and February. They might stop by and see us in Palm Desert on their way to San Diego. If so, I'll make Ed say a few words in person. Mary -- Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer |
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:44:30 GMT, "Doug \"Woody\" and Erin Beal"
wrote: On 11/14/03 4:40 PM, in article , "Mary Shafer" wrote: Fast Eddie is in Texas, at JSC, where he's flying T-38s. He turns 55 this month and will retire on 3 Jan 04. They've bought a fifth-wheeler and are going to return to SoCal via Florida and Kentucky in January and February. They might stop by and see us in Palm Desert on their way to San Diego. If so, I'll make Ed say a few words in person. Thanks for the update, Mary. Only knew him by phonecon and watching him (in my rear-view mirror) trying to put the HARV's probe in my KA-6E's basket. Quite comical, but understandably difficult--especially when I watched him fly form too. That airplane was a handful--at least through the iteration that I saw. The deal with HARV was that it had all the thrust vane hardware hanging off the tail and a big weight in the nose to keep it statically stable and a flexible airplane in between. The mass model could, without much of a stretch, be characterized as resembling a dumbbell. Needless to say, the mass effects produced some very peculiar flight dynamics, including during refueling. Fast Eddie refueled the HARV first and it took him something like 31 minutes to get a good plug and actually transfer fuel. Then it was Smoke's turn and about twenty minutes into his attempt, Eddie told him that if he didn't hurry up and plug in, Mary (me) was going to make this an HQ task and put it on all the flight cards. Uncontained mirth all around, naturally. However, the threat worked, because Jim got plugged in two minutes quicker than Eddie had. Mary -- Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer |
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