Aspen at night

Yes, the modern biz jet is very over-powered and they can
climb at moderate speed. But with an engine out, even the
hot-rod Lear jet climbs out flat.

Just as a point, I once had the opportunity to depart
Wichita (1332 feet MSL) single pilot in a King Air 300, no
passengers or baggage and only 1/2 fuel. I was taking the
plane to Oklahoma City for a salesman to show. Departed
runway 1R and did a 130 kt. IAS chandelle to the right from
rotation, circling around the airport radar antenna. Rolled
out southbound at 5,000 over the Cessna plant. Approach
asked where I was, apparently I stayed in their dead zone
from just after lift-off until I rolled out of my turn,
about 45 seconds after take-off.

I could have been higher but 5,000 was my take-off limit,
approach cleared my to 15,000 and I was there before I was
10 miles south. Love that big King Air, only problem was my
chart bag ended up in the baggage area, lucky for me, it was
a route I flew weekly and the necessary charts were on my
knee. I use a cheap steno pad holder with a "third-hand"
from Sporty's, cost very little, has a clear window on the
flap and a 5x8 yellow pad.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

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news:26_uf.6816$V.287@fed1read04...
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| KISS WAG SWAG PDC
|
| 150/152 even 200 ft/nm is shallow, but most light
aircraft
| and many jets with an engine out can't do it at
altitudes
| above 5,000 feet.
|
|
| Then, there are the high-end biz jets that can do 700 feet
per mile (SL,
| standard day) with OEI.
|

John R. Copeland wrote:
"Blanche" wrote in message

.... A small single can
physically take off to the SW and make the turn to get out to the
NW but not too many other aircraft (other than helicopter). Landings
are to the SE, takeoffs to the NW with an immediate turn N for the
missed.

You are technically correct, Blanche, but don't take off to the SW
without observing this note from the KASE Airport Information Chart:
"Take-off not authorized on Rwy 15 without written permission
from airport manager."
Though I'm not certain, I think noise issues affect that operation, too.

BTW, Blanche, have you ever visited the huge localizer antenna array
up at the top of Ajax, near the restaurant?
Impressive, isn't it?

Top of Ajax is about the only place to put the antennas!

As for the SW takeoff, the noise issues are complaints from the
McMansions at the SW end of the valley. Once upon a time Babs had
a ranch there, don't know if she still does or not.

(you know you're a local when you call it Ajax and Buttermilk)

(you know you're a local when you call it Ajax and Buttermilk)

Is there another name for Buttermilk? (I have skied all the Aspen
areas but it was years ago)

And, where is the localizer antenna? I have a vague recollection of a
structure extending across the top of the ski run "Buckhorn", almost
blocking it (i.e. you had to ski around it to get to the run). Is that
it? (trail map:
http://www.rsn.com/util/trail_map_disp.html?permcode=303003 )

--
Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

"John Clonts" wrote in message oups.com...
(you know you're a local when you call it Ajax and Buttermilk)

Is there another name for Buttermilk? (I have skied all the Aspen
areas but it was years ago)

And, where is the localizer antenna? I have a vague recollection of a
structure extending across the top of the ski run "Buckhorn", almost
blocking it (i.e. you had to ski around it to get to the run). Is that
it? (trail map:
http://www.rsn.com/util/trail_map_disp.html?permcode=303003 )
--
Cheers,
John Clonts

Yes, John, that's where the localizer is.
It's maybe 16 ruggedized VHF Yagis over a big metal-mesh groundplane.
The first time I saw it from a distance, I thought it might be
some sort of a picnic platform!

Buttermilk = Tiehack, maybe?
Isn't that just a bus stop between the airport and Highlands? :-)
Did you ever eat at Krabloonik on the west slope of Snowmass?
Mmmmm!

Yes, John, that's where the localizer is.
It's maybe 16 ruggedized VHF Yagis over a big metal-mesh groundplane.
The first time I saw it from a distance, I thought it might be
some sort of a picnic platform!


Ok, thanks!

Here it is from the satellite:
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=39.153617,-106.821581&spn=0.003802,0.007006&t=k

"John Clonts" wrote in message oups.com...
Yes, John, that's where the localizer is.
It's maybe 16 ruggedized VHF Yagis over a big metal-mesh groundplane.
The first time I saw it from a distance, I thought it might be
some sort of a picnic platform!


Ok, thanks!

Here it is from the satellite:
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=39.153617,-106.821581&spn=0.003802,0.007006&t=k

Cool!
You can zoom that out and pan northwest, to see how the beam fires
across the edge of the airport, pointing toward LINDZ!

John R. Copeland wrote:
"John Clonts" wrote in message
(you know you're a local when you call it Ajax and Buttermilk)

Is there another name for Buttermilk? (I have skied all the Aspen
areas but it was years ago)

And, where is the localizer antenna? I have a vague recollection of a
structure extending across the top of the ski run "Buckhorn", almost
blocking it (i.e. you had to ski around it to get to the run). Is that
it? (trail map:
http://www.rsn.com/util/trail_map_disp.html?permcode=303003 )

Yes, John, that's where the localizer is.
It's maybe 16 ruggedized VHF Yagis over a big metal-mesh groundplane.
The first time I saw it from a distance, I thought it might be
some sort of a picnic platform!

Buttermilk = Tiehack, maybe?
Isn't that just a bus stop between the airport and Highlands? :-)
Did you ever eat at Krabloonik on the west slope of Snowmass?
Mmmmm!

There are 4 mountains that comprise "Aspen" and all are connected
by shuttle but that's the only way to get from one to another.
The 4 are Aspen Mountain, Aspen Highlands, Buttermilk and
Snowmass. Buttermilk is mostly for beginners. The original name
for Aspen Mountain was Ajax.

Useful for winning trivia contests!

"Blanche" wrote in message ...
John R. Copeland wrote:
"John Clonts" wrote in message
(you know you're a local when you call it Ajax and Buttermilk)

Is there another name for Buttermilk? (I have skied all the Aspen
areas but it was years ago)

And, where is the localizer antenna? I have a vague recollection of a
structure extending across the top of the ski run "Buckhorn", almost
blocking it (i.e. you had to ski around it to get to the run). Is that
it? (trail map:
http://www.rsn.com/util/trail_map_disp.html?permcode=303003 )

Yes, John, that's where the localizer is.
It's maybe 16 ruggedized VHF Yagis over a big metal-mesh groundplane.
The first time I saw it from a distance, I thought it might be
some sort of a picnic platform!

Buttermilk = Tiehack, maybe?
Isn't that just a bus stop between the airport and Highlands? :-)
Did you ever eat at Krabloonik on the west slope of Snowmass?
Mmmmm!

There are 4 mountains that comprise "Aspen" and all are connected
by shuttle but that's the only way to get from one to another.
The 4 are Aspen Mountain, Aspen Highlands, Buttermilk and
Snowmass. Buttermilk is mostly for beginners. The original name
for Aspen Mountain was Ajax.

Useful for winning trivia contests!

Don't forget that other bit of trivia, Blanche...
"What percentage of Aspen Mountain is rated for Beginners?"
Obviously, you and many others here already know the answer.

I still miss the après-ski rowdiness on the old deck at Little Nell. :-(