Are these USS Kitty Hawk uniforms worth buying off eBay?

So I can see how in some rates it would not be uncommon for a hard
charg'in,
4.0 sailor to retire an E-6.
I remember the AZ's and AME's had it pretty tough (due to very limited
number of billets to advance into).

Larry




"Longtailedlizard" wrote in message
...


"victims of the rate". Just not enough billets to promote them all. All I
could tell them was "hang in there, keep up the great job and your time
will
come".


Larry
AECS (AW/SW/MTS)
Disabled Combat Veteran
USN Retired


"Victims of rate", this is or was the case with AT's, I encountered this
going
from E-3 to E-4, then again from E-4 to E-5. As a four year guy, I started
out
life as an AR, graduated from A school as a ATAA, mean while the 6 year
guys
were graduating as AT3's.
Then after doing my TIR, and finally making AT3, I once again
encountered the
"victim of rate" the AT3's (rent-a-crows) were graduating from AFTA
(advanced
first term avionics school) or AFTA-births as we called them, getting
ready to
take AT2, while I was installing tracking gear on rotor blades,
paralleling
generators, changing the "greenhouse" window after the Q/A chief stepped
through it, etc, etc.
But I really can't complain, I did my 4, and got out, and thanks to my
"nothing but a black box puller" "O" level career, spent the past 16 years
doing it on the civilian side for a much better pay and no sea duty.
So being a "victim of rate" work out great for me.
So I can see how in some rates it would not be uncommon for a hard
charg'in,
4.0 sailor to retire an E-6.

J

BTW, as for those who say, the numbers are figured out before hand, and
the
Navy takes only so many AFTA guys and regular guys its BS. I like many
others
who make there required time to graduate, we were ask if we were to extend
for
2 years, you can walk out of school as a E-4 instead of an E-2. Fortunitly
for
me 1989 sounded like forever in 1983, I passed, many other did'nt.

Forgive me but I can't resist my story of promotion in the enlisted
ranks.

I was a slickarm AQ1 (automatically changed from AT (9980), then
automatically changed to PT1 when PT was established in 1958. A year
after I had reenlisted for six years I decided not to make the Navy a
career, turned down a commission, and simply did not take the CPO exams
later. I had a fantastic job and didn't want to take a slot from a
lifer.

Until my CO in VQ-2, for reasons of his own, gave me a direct order to
take the Chief's exam - which I did.

I thought he was going to have an apoplectic fit when he stormed into
the Green Room with the detailed test results, waving the papers in
front of my face.

Screwing up in a topic area I knew nothing about I had actually gotten
ONE QUESTION CORRECT! Most effort I ever put into a test in my entire
life!

Chuck Huber - VC-8, VAH-1, FAITCLANT, VQ-2 - 1953 to 1963





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I was a slickarm AQ1 (automatically changed from AT (9980), then
automatically changed to PT1 when PT was established in 1958.
Chuck, What is a "PT"?

Larry
AECS (AW/SW/MTS)
Disabled Combat Veteran
USN Retired

20 years of Navy in my rear view mirror
and getting further away every day ;-)




"Chuck" wrote in message
...
Forgive me but I can't resist my story of promotion in the enlisted
ranks.

I was a slickarm AQ1 (automatically changed from AT (9980), then
automatically changed to PT1 when PT was established in 1958. A year
after I had reenlisted for six years I decided not to make the Navy a
career, turned down a commission, and simply did not take the CPO exams
later. I had a fantastic job and didn't want to take a slot from a
lifer.

Until my CO in VQ-2, for reasons of his own, gave me a direct order to
take the Chief's exam - which I did.

I thought he was going to have an apoplectic fit when he stormed into
the Green Room with the detailed test results, waving the papers in
front of my face.

Screwing up in a topic area I knew nothing about I had actually gotten
ONE QUESTION CORRECT! Most effort I ever put into a test in my entire
life!

Chuck Huber - VC-8, VAH-1, FAITCLANT, VQ-2 - 1953 to 1963





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http://community.webtv.net/charles379/USNComposite

FAIRECONRON ONE AND TWO (VQ-1/2) CASUALTIES
http://www.anzwers.org/free/navyscpo...r_AirCrew.html

Larry, a PT was a Photographic Intelligenceman - from 1957 to 1974/5
when PT and YN (2505) were combined into IS Intelligence Specialist.

My own billets as PT were in Fleet Air Intelligence Training Center
Norfolk (FAITCLANT) instructing AIOs (and others) in visual and radar
photo interpretation and targeting, and in VQ-2 as mission planner and
intel analyst.

USN Heavy Attack (VC, then VAH - P2V-3C, AJ-1/2, A3D-1/2 aircraft) was
initially tasked with carrier-launched nuclear missions on the Soviet
Union and Bloc countries, and obviously there was very little actual
"radar return" data available for specific target folders.

Simulated radar returns for target folders were created from visual
photographs, and other analyses, and PTs assisted AIOs in this target
packet creation. When SAC got going and the Navy nuke role went to
submarines, PTs went on to other things.

My website (below) covers the 1948-1955 Navy Heavy Attack period of VC
squadrons.

Chuck



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Larry, a PT was a Photographic Intelligenceman - from 1957 to 1974/5
when PT and YN (2505) were combined into IS Intelligence Specialist.
Aaaahhhh! I understand now.

Thanks Chuck- I had no clue. My experience was from 78 to 98 and am used to
working with IS's. Just never heard of a "PT".

USN Heavy Attack (VC, then VAH - P2V-3C, AJ-1/2, A3D-1/2 aircraft) was
initially tasked with carrier-launched nuclear missions on the Soviet
Union and Bloc countries,
I was on a "Nuc Loading Team" in VA-165 in the early 80's and remember that
drill well. It's kinda scary now when I look back and realize the potential
destruction of those weapons. I'm glad they are a little more controlled
now.


Larry
AECS (AW/SW/MTS)
Disabled Combat Veteran
USN Retired

20 years of Navy in my rear view mirror
and getting further away every day ;-)


"Chuck" wrote in message
...
Larry, a PT was a Photographic Intelligenceman - from 1957 to 1974/5
when PT and YN (2505) were combined into IS Intelligence Specialist.

My own billets as PT were in Fleet Air Intelligence Training Center
Norfolk (FAITCLANT) instructing AIOs (and others) in visual and radar
photo interpretation and targeting, and in VQ-2 as mission planner and
intel analyst.

USN Heavy Attack (VC, then VAH - P2V-3C, AJ-1/2, A3D-1/2 aircraft) was
initially tasked with carrier-launched nuclear missions on the Soviet
Union and Bloc countries, and obviously there was very little actual
"radar return" data available for specific target folders.

Simulated radar returns for target folders were created from visual
photographs, and other analyses, and PTs assisted AIOs in this target
packet creation. When SAC got going and the Navy nuke role went to
submarines, PTs went on to other things.

My website (below) covers the 1948-1955 Navy Heavy Attack period of VC
squadrons.

Chuck



HEAVY ATTACK COMPOSITE (VC-5,6,7,8,9) WEBSITE
http://community.webtv.net/charles379/USNComposite

FAIRECONRON ONE AND TWO (VQ-1/2) CASUALTIES
http://www.anzwers.org/free/navyscpo...r_AirCrew.html